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062A company has an enterprise value of Rs 1,000 crore against senior secured debt of Rs 500 crore, senior unsecured debt of Rs 300 crore and subordinated debt of Rs 150 crore. Enterprise value then falls 30%. What does each layer recover, which layer is the fulcrum, and at what enterprise value would the equity start to be worth something?KKRNew York · 2025
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After the fall, which layer is the fulcrum?
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At Rs 700 crore, senior secured recovers 100%, senior unsecured 66.7% and the subordinated debt nothing, so the senior unsecured layer is the fulcrum. Value is paid down the stack in order: Rs 500 crore to the secured lenders leaves Rs 200 crore for Rs 300 crore of unsecured claims, and nothing below. The equity is worth something only once enterprise value exceeds total debt of Rs 950 crore.
How is value shared out when it falls short of the debt?
Picture water poured into a stack of glasses, each filling completely before any spills into the next. In a recovery, value pays each layer of the capital structure in full, in order of priority, before anything reaches the next layer down. The senior secured lenders' glass holds Rs 500 crore, the senior unsecured Rs 300 crore, the subordinated Rs 150 crore, and the equity takes whatever is left. Pour in Rs 700 crore and watch where it stops.
At Rs 700 crore of enterprise value, the Rs 500 crore senior secured layer is covered in full, the senior unsecured layer receives Rs 200 crore of its Rs 300 crore, 66.7%, and the subordinated debt and equity receive nothing, which makes senior unsecured the fulcrum. Layer Claim At EV Rs 1,000 crore At EV Rs 700 crore Senior secured 500 500 (100%) 500 (100%) Senior unsecured 300 300 (100%) 200 (66.7%) Subordinated 150 150 (100%) 0 (0%) Equity 50 0 Total 950 1,000 700 Rs crore, recovery in brackets. At Rs 1,000 crore every debt layer is paid in full and the equity is worth Rs 50 crore; at Rs 700 crore the senior unsecured layer recovers 66.7% and everything below it is wiped out. Why does the fulcrum matter to a credit investor?
The fulcrum securityThe most senior layer of the capital structure that the company value does not cover in full, so it is likely to receive the equity in a restructuring. is the layer where the value runs out. It usually ends up owning the business in a restructuring, because the layers above are paid in full and the layers below are wiped out. Here the senior unsecured lenders would likely exchange their Rs 300 crore of claims for most of the new equity. Distressed investors buy the fulcrum because its value moves most with the enterprise value: between Rs 500 and Rs 800 crore, every extra Rs 1 crore goes straight to it.
At what value does the equity come back to life?
The equity is out of the money until enterprise value covers every debt claim, Rs 500 plus 300 plus 150 crore, which is Rs 950 crore. At the original Rs 1,000 crore it was worth only Rs 50 crore, 5% of enterprise value, which is why a 30% fall wiped it out and went on through the subordinated layer too. The limit: this is a strict priority waterfall; in real restructurings junior classes often receive a small share to win their votes, and claims include accrued interest and fees, so treat these recoveries as the starting point of a negotiation.
Where candidates lose it
The common slip is sharing the loss pro rata: Rs 700 crore over Rs 950 crore of debt is 73.7% for everyone. That ignores priority, which is the whole point of a capital structure question.
The second is naming the subordinated debt as the fulcrum because it is the first layer to lose everything. The fulcrum is the layer where the value line lands, the one that is only partly covered: here the senior unsecured.
What the interviewer asks next
- Enterprise value falls to Rs 450 crore. What does each layer recover now?
- The senior secured lenders are also owed Rs 30 crore of accrued interest. Does the fulcrum move?
- Where would the senior unsecured bonds trade if the market expects Rs 700 crore of value in a restructuring a year from now?
Asked at KKR, Distressed Debt, New York, 2025 (Wall Street Oasis):
What are your weaknesses? A capital structure question with enterprise value.
064An issuer's outstanding bonds trade at 8.10% for 5 years and 8.40% for 7 years. It prices a new 6-year bond at 8.40%. What new issue premium did it pay against its own curve?Syndicate desks
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What new issue premium did the issuer pay?
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The issuer paid a new issue premium of about 15 basis points. Its own curve runs from 8.10% at 5 years to 8.40% at 7 years, so a fair 6-year yield, interpolated halfway, is 8.25%. The new bond priced at 8.40%, 15 basis points wide of that. On a Rs 1,000 crore issue that is Rs 1.5 crore a year of extra coupon, about Rs 6.9 crore in today's money over six years.
What is fair value for a bond that does not exist yet?
If flats in one building sell for Rs 80 lakh on the fifth floor and Rs 84 lakh on the seventh, a sixth-floor flat is fairly priced near Rs 82 lakh; asking Rs 84 lakh for it is a premium. A new bond's fair value is read off the issuer's own curve at the new bond's maturity, because that curve already prices this issuer's credit. With points at 5 and 7 years, the 6-year point is the straight-line midpoint: 8.10% plus half of 30 basis points, 8.25%.
The issuer's curve runs from 8.10% at 5 years to 8.40% at 7 years, putting fair value for a 6-year bond at 8.25%, so the new 6-year bond priced at 8.40% paid a new issue premium of 15 basis points. The relationshipy_6 the interpolated fair yield for a 6-year bond from this issuer (6-5)/(7-5) how far along the gap between the 5-year and the 7-year the new bond sits NIP new issue premium, the new bond's yield less its fair value What it says in wordsFair value comes from the issuer's own curve at the new maturity; the premium is what the new bond pays above it.Why do issuers pay a premium at all, and what does it cost?
Investors want a small concession for buying a new bond rather than the existing ones: they take size, commit before the bond trades, and often sell other holdings to make room. The syndicate desk's job is to keep that premium as small as the order book allows. Here 15 basis points on Rs 1,000 crore is Rs 1.5 crore of extra coupon a year, about Rs 6.9 crore today over six years at 8.40%, which is why syndicate desks argue over five basis points.
State the assumptions behind the answer. Linear interpolation assumes the curve is straight between 5 and 7 years; a curve that bows would move fair value by a few basis points. The outstanding bonds may also be small or rarely traded, so their yields can carry a liquidity premium of their own. A desk would check the answer against a second yardstick, such as the spread over the government curve, before calling the premium high or low.
Where candidates lose it
The usual slip is comparing with the wrong bond: against the 7-year the premium looks like zero, against the 5-year it looks like 30 basis points. The new bond is a 6-year, so fair value has to come from the 6-year point on the curve.
The second loss is not saying how you interpolated. Say straight line between the two points, give 8.25%, and note that a curved line could move the answer by a few basis points.
What the interviewer asks next
- The issuer's 7-year bond is illiquid and trades 10 basis points wide of fair. What is the premium now?
- The book was four times covered. What does that tell you about the 15 basis points?
- How would you estimate the premium for a first-time issuer with no bonds outstanding?
068Two loans each have a 10% chance of default. What is the probability that at least one defaults if the defaults are independent, and if they are perfectly correlated? Why does a portfolio lender care?Risk managementCredit research
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If the defaults are independent, what is the chance that at least one loan defaults?
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Independent: 19% that at least one defaults and 1% that both do. Perfectly correlated: 10% for at least one and 10% for both. Independent loans survive together 0.9 x 0.9 = 81% of the time, so one or more defaults 19% of the time. Perfectly correlated loans default together or not at all. The expected number of defaults is 0.2 in both cases; what changes is how defaults bunch, and the chance of losing both loans is ten times higher.
Why is the answer not simply 10% plus 10%?
A 10% chance of rain on Saturday and 10% on Sunday is not a 20% chance of a wet weekend: some outcomes rain on both days and would be counted twice. The chance that at least one of two events happens is the sum of their chances minus the chance that both happen. For independent loans both default 0.1 x 0.1 = 1% of the time, so at least one defaults 10% + 10% - 1% = 19%. The quicker route is through survival: 1 minus 0.9 squared.
With independent loans the two 10% default regions overlap in only 1% of outcomes, so at least one loan defaults 19% of the time; with perfect correlation the regions sit on top of each other, so at least one defaults only 10% of the time but both default in all of those 10%. The relationship0.1 each loan's chance of default (1 - 0.1)^2 the chance both repay, if the defaults are independent What it says in wordsAt least one default is everything except the case where both loans repay.What does perfect correlation change?
With perfect correlation the two loans default in exactly the same states of the world, so at least one defaults 10% of the time, and whenever one does, both do. The average is unchanged: 0.2 loans default on average in both worlds. But the independent pair loses both loans only 1% of the time, while the correlated pair loses both 10% of the time, ten times as often.
Outcome Independent Perfectly correlated Neither defaults 81% 90% Exactly one defaults 18% 0% Both default 1% 10% Expected defaults 0.2 0.2 The expected number of defaults is 0.2 loans in both cases, but the chance of losing both loans rises from 1% to 10% when the defaults are perfectly correlated. Why does a portfolio lender care?
A lender holds capital against bad years, not average years, and correlation decides how bad the bad years are. Loans to one sector, one city or one promoter group tend to default together, which is why banks cap their exposure by sector and by group. Diversification works only when defaults are not strongly linked: ten independent loans with a 10% default chance all repay 35% of the time, but ten loans to one industry can behave like one big loan. The limit: real correlations sit between zero and one and rise in downturns, exactly when they hurt most, so the two cases here are the bounds, not the answer.
Where candidates lose it
The quick wrong answer is 20%, adding the probabilities and double counting the 1% of outcomes where both loans default. Work from the chance that both repay and the error cannot happen.
The second loss is saying correlation does not matter because the expected loss is the same. The average is identical; the chance of losing both loans goes from 1% to 10%, and that tail is what a lender's capital is for.
What the interviewer asks next
- With a correlation between the two extremes, is the chance of at least one default above or below 19%?
- You hold 10 independent loans, each with a 10% default chance. What is the chance that none defaults?
- Why do default correlations tend to rise in a recession?
069Four anchor investors are each 60% likely to put in an order for your bond, independently of one another. You need at least three of them to launch. What is the probability that you launch?Syndicate desks
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Before you calculate: roughly what is the chance of launching?
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About 47.5%, a little under a coin flip. Exactly three anchors can happen in 4 ways, each with probability 0.6 x 0.6 x 0.6 x 0.4, so 4 x 0.0864 = 34.6%. All four come in with probability 0.6 to the fourth, 13.0%. Adding them gives 47.5%. Each anchor is more likely than not to order, yet needing most of a small group pulls the chance of launching below half.
How do you count the ways to get three of four?
Four friends each say they will probably come to dinner, 60% each, and you need three to keep the booking. The chance of any one pattern, say the first three come and the fourth does not, is 0.6 x 0.6 x 0.6 x 0.4 = 8.64%, and there are four such patterns, one for each friend who stays away. So exactly three come 4 x 8.64% = 34.6% of the time. All four come 0.6 to the fourth, 13.0% of the time. The booking survives 47.5% of the time.
The chance that three of the four anchors order is 34.6% and that all four order is 13.0%, so the deal launches 47.5% of the time even though each anchor is 60% likely to order. The relationshipX the number of anchors who order C(4,3) the four ways to choose which three anchors order 0.6, 0.4 each anchor's chance of ordering and of staying away What it says in wordsAdd the chance of exactly three anchors, counted over every pattern, to the chance of all four.Why is the answer below half when each anchor is likely?
Requiring most of a small group multiplies probabilities together, and products of numbers below one shrink fast. The most likely outcomes are two or three anchors, 34.6% each, so the launch hinges on which side of that line you land. If you needed only two anchors the chance would jump to 82.1%; if you needed all four it would fall to 13.0%. The threshold matters more than any single investor.
Say what a syndicate desk does with this. Either lower the threshold, by lining up a fifth anchor or sizing the deal so that fewer anchors are enough, or raise each anchor's probability before launch through early soundings. A fifth anchor at 60% lifts the chance of at least three from 47.5% to 68.3%; lifting each of the four to 70% gives 65.2%. The limit: anchors are rarely independent; they read the same market, so on a bad day they tend to drop out together, and the real chance is lower than this.
Where candidates lose it
The instinctive answer is about 60%, as if the group behaved like one anchor. Needing three of four is a joint event, and joint events are rarer than their parts.
The second loss is forgetting the four orderings and answering 8.64% plus 13.0%, or counting only the all-four case. Say the combination count out loud: four ways to choose which anchor stays away.
What the interviewer asks next
- What is the chance of launching if you add a fifth anchor, also 60% likely?
- If each anchor's chance rises to 70%, what is the chance of at least three of four?
- Why might anchor orders be positively correlated, and what does that do to the launch probability?
070A company trades at 8x EV/EBITDA on EBITDA of Rs 100 crore. Net debt is Rs 300 crore at 10% interest, depreciation is Rs 20 crore and the tax rate is 25%. What P/E is that?Credit researchLeveraged finance
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Which is closest to the P/E?
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About 13.3x. Equity value is enterprise value less net debt: 8 x 100 = 800, less 300, is Rs 500 crore. Net income is EBITDA of 100, less depreciation of 20 and interest of 30, which leaves 50 before tax and 37.5 after 25% tax. Rs 500 crore over Rs 37.5 crore is 13.3x. The same business looks cheap at 8x EBITDA and dearer on earnings, because depreciation, interest and tax all sit between the two profit lines.
Why can the two multiples not be compared directly?
The price of a flat and the price of the owner's stake in it differ when there is a home loan: an Rs 80 lakh flat with a Rs 30 lakh loan leaves Rs 50 lakh of equity. EV/EBITDA prices the whole business against profit available to all funders; P/E prices only the equity against profit left after lenders and the tax authority are paid. To move from one to the other, bridge the value by taking off net debt, and bridge the profit by taking off depreciation, interest and tax.
Enterprise value of Rs 800 crore less Rs 300 crore of net debt leaves Rs 500 crore of equity, and EBITDA of Rs 100 crore less depreciation, interest and tax leaves Rs 37.5 crore of net income, so 8.0x EBITDA becomes 13.3x earnings. The relationship8 x 100 - 300 equity value: enterprise value less net debt 100 - 20 - 30 profit before tax: EBITDA less depreciation and interest (1 - 0.25) what is left after 25% tax What it says in wordsBridge the numerator from enterprise to equity value and the denominator from EBITDA to net income, then divide.Where does the gap between 8x and 13.3x come from?
Bridge it in two moves. Depreciation and tax alone turn 8x EBITDA into 13.3x earnings: with no debt, EBIT of 80 taxed at 25% is 60, and 800 over 60 is 13.3x. So the gap here comes from the lines between EBITDA and net income, not from the debt. A business with heavy depreciation or a high tax rate always looks dearer on P/E than on EV/EBITDA.
Does the debt change the P/E at all?
With these numbers, no, and that is worth noticing. Leverage raises the P/E when the after-tax cost of debt is above the business's unlevered earnings yield, and lowers it when the cost is below. The unlevered earnings yield is 60 over 800, 7.5%; the after-tax cost of debt is 10% x 0.75, also 7.5%. Swapping equity for debt removes value and earnings in the same proportion, so the P/E stays at 13.3x. At 8% interest it would be 11.9x; at 12%, 15.2x.
Interest rate on Rs 300 crore Net income P/E on Rs 500 crore 8% 42.0 11.9x 10%, as given 37.5 13.3x 12% 33.0 15.2x Rs crore. With the after-tax cost of debt equal to the 7.5% unlevered earnings yield, leverage leaves the P/E at 13.3x; cheaper debt lowers it and dearer debt raises it. State the lesson for a credit desk. Never compare a P/E with an EV/EBITDA, or P/Es across companies with very different leverage, without bridging them first. The limit: this treats net debt as the only claim between enterprise and equity value; in real companies minority interests, leases and pension deficits also sit in that bridge.
Where candidates lose it
The fast wrong answer is 8x, treating the two multiples as interchangeable. They price different claims against different profit lines, so they match only by accident.
The second loss is forgetting the interest, which gives net income of 60 and a P/E of 8.3x, or dividing the whole enterprise value by net income, which gives 21.3x. Bridge the numerator and the denominator separately, and say each bridge out loud.
What the interviewer asks next
- At what interest rate on the debt would the P/E be exactly 10x?
- The company refinances at 12%. What happens to the P/E, and why?
- Why do lenders size leverage off EBITDA rather than earnings?
071You hold Rs 100 crore face of a 5-year corporate bond with a DV01 of 0.043 per Rs 100 of face. You want to hedge its interest rate risk by shorting a 10-year government bond whose DV01 is 0.068 per Rs 100. How much face value of the government bond do you short?Fixed income asset managementSyndicate desks
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How much of the government bond do you short?
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Short about Rs 63.2 crore face of the government bond. The corporate position moves Rs 100 crore x 0.043%, Rs 4.3 lakh, for each basis point. Each Rs 1 crore of the 10-year government bond moves Rs 6,800 per basis point. Matching the two takes 4.3 lakh over 6,800, about 63.2 lots of Rs 1 crore. The hedge ratio is the ratio of the DV01s, 0.043 over 0.068, not one for one on face value.
What exactly are you trying to balance?
Two children on a seesaw balance when weight times distance from the pivot matches on both sides, not when they weigh the same. A rate hedge balances when the rupee change per basis point matches on both sides, so you hedge DV01 against DV01, not face value against face value. The corporate bond's DV01The change in a bond position value for a one basis point change in yield, in rupees. is 0.043 per Rs 100, so Rs 100 crore of it gains or loses Rs 4.3 lakh for every basis point. That is the number the short has to offset.
Rs 100 crore of the corporate bond at a DV01 of 0.043 balances Rs 63.2 crore of the government bond at a DV01 of 0.068, both carrying Rs 4.3 lakh per basis point, while shorting a matching Rs 100 crore would over-hedge by Rs 2.5 lakh per basis point. The relationshipF the face value you hold, Rs 100 crore DV01_corp the corporate bond's price change per basis point, per Rs 100 DV01_gov the government bond's price change per basis point, per Rs 100 What it says in wordsScale the hedge so that its rupee move per basis point equals the position's.Why do you need less of the government bond than you hold?
The 10-year government bond has a longer duration, so each rupee of it moves more when rates move: 0.068 per Rs 100 against 0.043. A smaller position in the more sensitive bond carries the same rupee risk. Check the balance: Rs 63.2 crore x 0.068% is Rs 4.3 lakh a basis point, the same as the corporate position. If rates fall 20 basis points in parallel, the corporate bond gains about Rs 86 lakh and the short loses about Rs 86 lakh.
Then say what the hedge does not cover, because that is the follow-up. A DV01 hedge removes the risk of a parallel move in rates, but it leaves you exposed to the curve twisting between 5 and 10 years and to the corporate bond's credit spread moving. If 5-year yields rise while 10-year yields stay put, the hedge does nothing for you. Desks often hedge with a bond or swap closer in maturity for exactly this reason, and rebalance as DV01s drift with time and rates.
Where candidates lose it
The instinctive answer is Rs 100 crore, shorting the same face value you hold. With a longer, more sensitive hedging bond that over-hedges by more than half and turns a long rate position into a short one.
The second slip is inverting the ratio and shorting Rs 158 crore. Check the direction with intuition: the hedging bond is more sensitive, so you need less of it, not more.
What the interviewer asks next
- Rates fall 20 basis points in a parallel move. What is the profit or loss on each leg?
- The 5-year yield rises 10 basis points and the 10-year is unchanged. What happens to the hedged position?
- Why might you hedge with a 5-year interest rate swap instead?
072A bond trades 300 basis points over the risk-free curve, and investors expect 40% recovery if it defaults. Using the credit triangle, what annual default probability is the market implying?Credit researchFixed income asset management
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What annual default probability does the spread imply?
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About 5% a year. The credit triangle says the spread pays for expected loss: spread = probability of default x loss given default. With 40% recovery the loss given default is 60%, so 3.0% = PD x 60% and PD = 5.0%. Treat it as an upper-bound reading, because real spreads also pay for liquidity and for bearing risk, so the default rate the market truly expects is usually lower.
Why does a spread imply a default probability at all?
An insurer charging Rs 3,000 a year to cover a Rs 1 lakh motorbike, where a stolen bike is usually recovered at 40% of its value, is pricing in some chance of theft; work backwards and you can read that chance off the premium. A credit spread is the premium a lender demands for expected loss: roughly, the chance of default each year times the share of the money lost when it happens. Everything else equal, a lender earning 300 basis points over the risk-free curve is being paid to lose about 3% a year on average.
The 300 basis point spread equals the default probability times a 60% loss given default, which implies 5.0% a year; the same spread implies 3.0% if nothing is recovered and 10.0% if 70% is recovered. The relationships the credit spread, 3.0% a year PD the annual probability of default R the expected recovery rate, 40% 1 - R loss given default, 60% What it says in wordsThe spread roughly equals the yearly chance of default times the share lost when it happens.How does the recovery assumption change the answer?
The higher the recovery, the higher the default probability a given spread implies, because each default costs the lender less. At 40% recovery, 300 basis points implies 5%; at 0% recovery it implies only 3%; at 70% recovery it implies 10%. So the recovery assumption is not a detail. Two analysts reading the same spread with different recovery views can disagree by a factor of two on how risky the credit is.
Expected recovery Loss given default Implied annual PD 0% 100% 3.0% 40% 60% 5.0% 70% 30% 10.0% The same 300 basis point spread implies a 3.0%, 5.0% or 10.0% annual default probability depending on whether investors expect to recover nothing, 40% or 70% in default. What does the credit triangle leave out?
The triangle treats the whole spread as payment for expected loss, but part of any spread pays for liquidity and for the discomfort of carrying credit risk. Default probabilities read off spreads therefore tend to sit above the default rates actually seen for similar credits. Use the triangle to compare credits and to sanity-check a spread, and say out loud that it gives an upper bound, not a forecast. Held for five years, 5% a year compounds to about 23% cumulative. The limit: it is a one-period shortcut that ignores when in the year default happens.
Where candidates lose it
The quick wrong answer is 3%, reading the spread as the default probability. That assumes lenders lose everything in default; with 40% recovery they lose 60%, so the same spread implies more defaults, not fewer.
The second slip is dividing by the recovery rate instead of the loss rate and getting 7.5%. Say loss given default out loud, 1 minus recovery, before you divide.
What the interviewer asks next
- A secured bond from the same issuer has expected recovery of 70%. Roughly what spread should it trade at?
- Why do default probabilities implied by spreads usually sit above historical default rates?
- At 5% a year, what is the cumulative chance of default over five years?
075Revenue is Rs 800 crore, up 10% on last year's Rs 727.3 crore. The EBITDA margin is 18%, depreciation is Rs 30 crore, the tax rate is 25%, capex is Rs 45 crore, and the net working capital build is 12% of the change in revenue. Walk from revenue to unlevered free cash flow.RBC Capital MarketsLondon · 2026
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Roughly what is unlevered free cash flow?
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Unlevered free cash flow is about Rs 61.8 crore. EBITDA is 18% of Rs 800 crore, Rs 144 crore. Less Rs 30 crore of depreciation gives EBIT of Rs 114 crore, and tax at 25% leaves NOPAT of Rs 85.5 crore. Add back depreciation, which is not cash, to reach Rs 115.5 crore, then take off capex of Rs 45 crore and the working capital build of 12% of the Rs 72.7 crore revenue increase, Rs 8.7 crore.
What order do you walk the lines in?
Think of a shopkeeper's year: sales come in, stock and staff are paid, the taxman takes a share, some money goes on a new fridge, and more stock sits on the shelves because the shop is busier. What is left is what the owner could take out. Unlevered free cash flow follows the same order: operating profit, less tax on that profit, plus non-cash charges, less investment in fixed assets and in working capital. It is unlevered because interest is left out: the cash belongs to lenders and shareholders together.
EBITDA of Rs 144 crore loses Rs 30 crore of depreciation and Rs 28.5 crore of tax to reach NOPAT of Rs 85.5 crore, gets the depreciation back, then loses Rs 45 crore of capex and Rs 8.7 crore of working capital, leaving Rs 61.8 crore of unlevered free cash flow. Line Rs crore Revenue 800.0 EBITDA at 18% 144.0 Less depreciation (30.0) EBIT 114.0 Less tax at 25% of EBIT (28.5) NOPAT 85.5 Add back depreciation 30.0 Less capex (45.0) Less working capital build, 12% x 72.7 (8.7) Unlevered free cash flow 61.8 Unlevered free cash flow is Rs 61.8 crore, 43% of EBITDA, after tax on operating profit, capex of 1.5 times depreciation and a working capital build on the Rs 72.7 crore rise in revenue. Why tax EBIT rather than profit after interest?
Unlevered cash flow is the cash the business makes before any financing choice, so tax is charged as if there were no debt: 25% of EBIT, Rs 28.5 crore. Real tax is lower when there is interest to deduct, and that saving is counted elsewhere, in the discount rate or in a separate tax shield line. Taxing profit after interest and then discounting at a rate that already includes the shield counts the same benefit twice.
Where does the cash go between EBITDA and free cash flow?
Of Rs 144 crore of EBITDA, only Rs 61.8 crore, about 43%, becomes unlevered free cash flow: tax takes 28.5, capex 45 and working capital 8.7. Capex is 1.5 times depreciation, so the company is investing to grow, and working capital rises with sales because more revenue means more receivables and stock. A lender sizing debt on EBITDA should look at this conversion, because interest and repayments are paid from the Rs 61.8 crore, not the Rs 144 crore. The limit: one year of cash conversion can mislead when capex is lumpy.
Where candidates lose it
The common slip is stopping at EBITDA less capex and calling it free cash flow, forgetting tax and working capital; that gives Rs 99 crore, well above the true Rs 61.8 crore.
The second is charging working capital on the whole revenue, 12% of Rs 800 crore, instead of on the change. Working capital is a balance; only the increase uses cash this year.
What the interviewer asks next
- Revenue falls 10% next year instead. What happens to the working capital line?
- How would you get from unlevered to levered free cash flow?
- Capex falls to the level of depreciation. What is free cash flow now, and is that sustainable?
Asked at RBC Capital Markets, Leveraged Finance, London, 2026 (Wall Street Oasis):
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076A conglomerate owns three businesses worth Rs 1,200 crore, Rs 800 crore and Rs 500 crore of enterprise value. The market applies a 15% holding company discount to the sum of the parts. Net debt is Rs 600 crore and there are 50 crore shares. What is the value per share, and what would it be with no discount?Deutsche BankMumbai · 2024
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Before you calculate: the discount is 15% of enterprise value. How much does the value per share fall?
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Rs 30.5 per share with the discount and Rs 38.0 without it. The parts add to Rs 2,500 crore. A 15% discount takes off Rs 375 crore, leaving Rs 2,125 crore of enterprise value. Less Rs 600 crore of net debt gives equity of Rs 1,525 crore over 50 crore shares. With no discount equity is Rs 1,900 crore, or Rs 38.0. A 15% discount costs shareholders 19.7%.
Why does the discount come off before the debt?
Think of a house worth Rs 1 crore with a Rs 60 lakh home loan on it. If buyers suddenly pay 15% less for houses on that street, the house is worth Rs 85 lakh, the bank is still owed Rs 60 lakh, and the owner's share drops from Rs 40 lakh to Rs 25 lakh. A conglomerate works the same way. The holding company discount is a haircut on what the whole group is worth, and the lenders' claim is a fixed number that sits ahead of the shareholders, so the haircut is taken from enterprise value and passes through to equity untouched.
So the order is: value each business, add them to get the sum of the partsValuing each business on its own, usually against its own peers, and adding the values together., apply the holding company discountThe gap between what a group trades at and what its businesses would be worth separately, often blamed on head office costs, capital allocation or tax leakage. to the total, subtract net debt, and divide by shares. Rs 2,500 crore less Rs 375 crore is Rs 2,125 crore; less Rs 600 crore is Rs 1,525 crore; over 50 crore shares is Rs 30.5.
The three businesses add to Rs 2,500 crore; the 15% discount removes Rs 375 crore and net debt removes Rs 600 crore, leaving equity of Rs 1,525 crore, or Rs 30.5 a share against Rs 38.0 with no discount. The relationshipd the holding company discount, 15% EV_i the enterprise value of each business ND net debt, Rs 600 crore N shares outstanding, 50 crore What it says in wordsDiscount the sum of the businesses, take off what the lenders are owed, and share what is left.Why does a 15% discount cost the shareholders more than 15%?
Equity is the thin slice left after debt, so any fall in enterprise value is a bigger fall as a share of equity. The Rs 375 crore haircut is 15% of Rs 2,500 crore but 19.7% of Rs 1,900 crore. Push net debt to Rs 1,500 crore and the same haircut takes 37.5% of the equity. This is why a credit analyst reading a holding company cares about the discount even though no lender ever sees it on a statement: it is a measure of how much equity cushion the market will actually pay for.
What should you say about where the discount is applied?
Some desks apply the discount to equity value instead of enterprise value. On equity of Rs 1,900 crore, 15% gives Rs 1,615 crore and Rs 32.3 a share. The two conventions differ by Rs 1.8 a share here, so name your convention in the first sentence rather than let the interviewer find it. The enterprise value version is the more common reading when the discount is described as a discount to the sum of the parts, and it is the one that treats the lenders' claim as fixed.
Where candidates lose it
The frequent slip is subtracting the net debt first and then taking 15% off what is left. That gives Rs 32.3 a share and quietly assumes the lenders share the discount, which they do not when the discount is on the sum of the parts. Interviewers accept either convention only if you name it.
The second slip is telling the interviewer that shareholders lose 15%. Say 19.7%, and give the reason in one line: the debt does not shrink, so the whole haircut falls on equity.
What the interviewer asks next
- With net debt of Rs 1,500 crore, what discount would halve the equity value?
- The group sells unit C for Rs 500 crore of cash and repays debt. If the discount stays at 15% on what remains, what happens to value per share?
- Why would a lender to the holding company watch the discount at all?
Asked at Deutsche Bank, Equity Capital Markets, Mumbai, 2024 (Wall Street Oasis):
working capital, leases and SOTP with conglomerate discount question
077You have two bowls, 60 white balls and 40 black balls. Split all 100 balls between the bowls any way you like. One bowl is then chosen at random and one ball drawn from it. How do you maximise the chance of drawing white, and what is that chance?Deutsche BankMumbai · 2024
Try it first
Pick the best chance you think a clever split can reach.
Show the worked solution
Put one white ball alone in bowl A and the other 99 balls, 59 white and 40 black, in bowl B. Bowl A gives white every time and bowl B gives white 59 times in 99. Each bowl is chosen half the time, so the chance is 0.5 x 1 + 0.5 x 59/99, about 79.8%, against 60% for an even split.
Why does a bowl with one ball count as much as a bowl with 99?
Picture two teams tossing a coin to bat first: the coin does not care that one side has eleven players and the other has one. The bowls are chosen the same way. The coin picks a bowl, not a ball, so a bowl holding a single white ball gets the same half of the draws as a bowl holding ninety nine. That makes one lone white ball the cheapest way to buy certainty for half of all outcomes, and it costs bowl B only one white ball out of sixty.
Bowl A with one white ball gives white every time; bowl B with 59 white and 40 black gives white 59.6% of the time, so the average is 79.8%, well above the 60% an even split gives. How do you show that nothing beats it?
Bowl A cannot do better than 100%, and one white ball is the least that gets it there. Every further white ball moved into bowl A is wasted there and missed in bowl B, and every black ball moved into bowl A drags it below 100%. So bowl A is one white ball and bowl B takes what is left. Checking all 2,499 possible splits by computer agrees: the best is 79.80%, and only the one-ball split reaches it.
The relationshipW white balls, 60 B black balls, 40 1/2 the chance each bowl is chosen (W-1)/(W+B-1) the white share in bowl B once one white ball is set aside What it says in wordsHalf the time you get the certain bowl, half the time you get everything else.The formula also shows how the answer moves. With 50 white and 50 black, the version a candidate reported from an interview, it gives 74.7%. More white in the pool lifts bowl B and the total; bowl A is already at its ceiling. Here the split adds about 20 percentage points because one ball is turned into half of the probability.
Where candidates lose it
Most people answer 60% because the pool is 60% white and they assume a split cannot change the pool. It cannot change the pool, but it changes the weights, because the bowl is chosen before the ball.
The second loss is stopping at the number. Give the one-line reason no other split does better, then generalise: one half plus one half of (W minus 1) over (W plus B minus 1).
What the interviewer asks next
- What if the bowl is chosen with probability proportional to how many balls it holds?
- With three bowls and the same 100 balls, what is the best split and the best chance?
- You are paid Rs 100 for a white ball and nothing for black. What is the most you would pay to play once?
Asked at Deutsche Bank, Equity Capital Markets, Mumbai, 2024 (Wall Street Oasis):
After the distribution, one bowl will be selected at random, and then one ball will be randomly drawn from that bowl
