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006A trade surveillance system raises an alert on 95% of genuinely suspicious trades and, wrongly, on 2% of normal trades. One trade in a thousand is genuinely suspicious. An alert has just fired on a trade. What is the probability the trade is suspicious?CitadelMiami · 2022
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Gut answer before you count anything.
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About 4.5%. Count 100,000 trades. One in a thousand is suspicious, so 100 are, and 95 of those alert. The other 99,900 are normal, and 2% of them, 1,998, alert anyway. Alerts total 2,093, of which 95 are genuine, so the probability that an alerted trade is suspicious is 95 over 2,093, about 4.5%. The 95% hit rate is not the answer; the base rate is what decides it.
Why does a 95% accurate system give a 4.5% answer?
A smoke alarm that goes off for 2% of toast is a fine alarm in a house that is never on fire; nearly every ring will be toast. When the thing you are looking for is rare, even a small false-alarm rate applied to the huge normal pile produces more alerts than the true cases produce. Here 2% of 99,900 normal trades is 1,998, twenty times the 95 genuine alerts. The system is not bad; the base rate is low, and that is what the question is testing.
Of 100,000 trades, 100 are suspicious and raise 95 true alerts, while the 99,900 normal trades raise 1,998 false ones, so alerts total 2,093 and a trade that alerts is genuinely suspicious only 4.5% of the time. The relationshipS, N a suspicious trade, a normal trade A an alert fires P(A | S) = 0.95 the hit rate P(A | N) = 0.02 the false-alarm rate P(S) = 0.001 the base rate What it says in wordsTrue alerts divided by all alerts, where all alerts are the true ones plus the false ones from the normal pile.What is the fastest way to say it in the room?
Do not write Bayes' formula; count a round number of trades. Say: in 100,000 trades, 100 are suspicious and 95 alert; 99,900 are normal and 1,998 alert; 95 over 2,093 is about 4.5%. Three sentences, no algebra, and every number is checkable by the person listening. The odds form is just as quick: prior odds 1 to 999, likelihood ratio 0.95 over 0.02, about 47.5, so posterior odds 47.5 to 999, roughly 1 to 21.
What does the desk do with a 4.5% answer?
It decides what the alert is for. A 4.5% hit rate is fine for a filter that sends trades to a human for a second look, and useless for an automatic block, because 95% of blocked trades would be legitimate business. That is the trade-off every surveillance, fraud and risk-limit system lives with: a lower threshold catches more of the 100 but drags in more of the 99,900. Say the limitation too: the 2% and 95% are themselves estimates from past data, and a system tuned on last year's patterns can drift.
Where candidates lose it
The whole trap is answering 95%, confusing the probability of an alert given a suspicious trade with the probability of a suspicious trade given an alert. Interviewers ask this precisely because the two sound the same and are twenty times apart.
The second loss is reaching for the formula and tangling the denominator. Count 100,000 trades and the denominator builds itself: 95 plus 1,998.
What the interviewer asks next
- The false-alarm rate is cut to 0.5%. What is the probability now?
- Two independent systems both alert on the same trade. What is the probability it is suspicious?
- What base rate would make an alert a coin flip, and what does that tell you about where surveillance is worth running?
Asked at Citadel, Sales and Trading, Miami, 2022 (Wall Street Oasis):
I got a question about Bayes' theorem applied to a practical scenario, which I handled decently
012You are making a market on a contract that settles at the sum of two dice. During the game you sell 5 at 7.5, buy 3 at 6.5 and sell 2 at 8. The dice are rolled and total 9. What is your final position, what is your profit or loss in rupees, and what was your expected profit at the moment you finished trading?OptiverAmsterdam · 2023
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Before the blotter: what is the fair value of the sum of two dice?
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You finish short 4, you lose Rs 2 on the settlement, and your expected profit when you stopped trading was Rs 6. Sold 5, bought 3, sold 2 is a net short of 4. Cash is +37.5 - 19.5 + 16 = +34. Settling at 9 costs 4 x 9 = 36, so the result is 34 - 36 = -2. Against the fair value of 7 the short would have cost 28, leaving +6: the edge of 2.5 + 1.5 + 2 captured on the three trades.
Why keep three numbers in your head and not one?
A shopkeeper who sells umbrellas at a markup has a profit on each sale, a stock count, and a worry about whether it rains. Three separate things. A market maker tracks the same three: edge per trade against fair value, net position, and the exposure to the final number, and the game checks that you never let one of them slip. Say the fair value, 7, first. Then say each trade's edge as you do it: +2.5 on selling 5 at 7.5, +1.5 on buying 3 at 6.5, +2 on selling 2 at 8. Then say the position: short 4.
Selling 5 at 7.5, buying 3 at 6.5 and selling 2 at 8 leaves a short of 4 and cash of +34 with an edge of 2.5, 1.5 and 2 against fair value 7, so at the settlement of 9 the position costs 36 and the result is Rs 2 lost, while at fair value the same trades were worth Rs 6. The relationshipcash money received for sales minus money paid for purchases position contracts bought minus contracts sold, here minus 4 S the settlement value of the contract, the dice total What it says in wordsProfit is the cash already banked plus the position times the settlement, and replacing the settlement with the fair value gives the expected profit.Was the loss a mistake?
No. Every trade was done at a better price than fair value, so the trading was right; the dice came in high. Expected profit of +6 is what you controlled, and the realised minus 2 is what the dice did; an interviewer wants to hear you separate the two without being asked. The sum of two dice has a standard deviation of about 2.4, so a short of 4 carries a one-standard-deviation swing of nearly 10, far larger than the 6 of edge. The real question is whether a short of 4 was more risk than you wanted to carry against 6 of edge.
What would you have done differently in the game?
Skewed the quote as the short grew. After selling 5, you are short 5 and should lower both your bid and your offer so that the next trade is more likely to be a buy that cuts the position, which is exactly what buying 3 at 6.5 did. Selling 2 more at 8 added to the short again; at that point a wider or higher quote would have protected you. The limitation of the puzzle: with two interviewers trading against you, their trades carry information about nothing, because the dice are not rolled yet, so here the only reason to skew is inventory, not adverse selection.
Where candidates lose it
Candidates lose the position count under pressure, saying short 6 or short 2 because they forget the buy of 3. State the running position after every trade, aloud, as the sample blotter does.
The second loss is reporting the minus 2 as if the trading was bad. The expected profit was plus 6 and the dice were unkind. Say both numbers and which one you controlled.
What the interviewer asks next
- The dice settle at 5 instead. What is your P&L, and does your expected P&L change?
- What is the standard deviation of the two-dice total, and how does it size the risk of being short 4?
- After the first sale of 5 at 7.5, what market would you show next, and why?
Asked at Optiver, Prop Trading, Amsterdam, 2023 (Wall Street Oasis):
some difficult trading games where you had to profit making a market whilst remembering your position and the position of two interviewers
023A ticket pays Rs 100 if a card drawn from a well-shuffled standard deck is a picture card (jack, queen or king), and nothing otherwise. I quote the ticket at 20 bid, 22 offered. Would you trade, and on which side?Akuna CapitalChicago · 2026
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Before you work out the fraction: the right action against a 20 bid, 22 offered quote is
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Yes: buy at 22, because the ticket is worth 23.08. A standard deck has 12 picture cards out of 52, a 23.1% chance, so the fair value of a Rs 100 payout is 12/52 x 100 = 23.08. You buy at the offer, 22, which is below fair, and expect to make about Rs 1.08 a ticket. Selling at 20 would give away about Rs 3.08. The edge is small next to the outcome, so it pays only over many tickets.
How do you value the ticket?
If a friend offers you Rs 100 when a coin lands heads, you would pay up to Rs 50 and no more; the coin's odds set the price. A ticket that pays a fixed amount on an event is worth the payout times the probability of the event, before any talk of the quote. A standard deck has four suits, each with a jack, a queen and a king, so 12 picture cards in 52. The ticket is worth 12/52 x 100 = 3/13 x 100 = 23.08. Notice that the ace is not a picture card; counting it is the quickest way to get 16/52 and the wrong side.
The relationship12 picture cards: jack, queen and king in four suits 52 cards in the deck 100 the payout in rupees if a picture card is drawn What it says in wordsThe ticket is worth its payout times the chance of being paid.Which side of the quote do you compare with?
A quote has two prices, and you can only use one of each: you buy at the offer and sell at the bid. Trade only when fair value sits outside the quote: buy when it is above the offer, sell when it is below the bid, and pass when it falls between them. Here fair is 23.08 against a 22 offer, so you buy and expect 1.08. The figure runs two other quotes for contrast: at 22 bid, 24 offered, fair is inside and there is no trade; at 24 bid, 26 offered, you sell at 24 and expect 0.92.
Against a fair value of 23.08, the quote of 20 bid, 22 offered lets you buy below fair for an expected 1.08 a ticket, a quote of 22 at 24 straddles fair and gives no trade, and a quote of 24 at 26 lets you sell above fair for an expected 0.92. How much would you buy, and what could change your mind?
Each ticket pays 0 or 100, so its standard deviation is 100 x the square root of 0.231 x 0.769, about Rs 42, against an edge of Rs 1.08. The edge is real but small next to the noise, so it is worth taking in size over many independent draws and worth very little on a single ticket. Before trading, ask the two questions a desk would: is the deck standard and well shuffled, and does the person quoting know something you do not, such as a card already removed? The limitation of the clean answer is that it trusts the setup; in a game where the quoter controls the deck, a quote this generous is itself a warning.
Where candidates lose it
The common slip is to sell at 20 on the feeling that the ticket usually loses. That is true and already priced: losing most of the time is why the ticket is worth 23, not 50. Value it first, then compare.
The second loss is comparing fair value with the middle of the quote, 21, and saying buy without naming the price. You buy at the offer. Saying buy at 20 tells the interviewer you do not know which side of a quote you can trade on.
What the interviewer asks next
- The ticket now pays on a picture card or an ace. Where would you trade against the same quote?
- I draw a card, look at it without showing you, and then quote 20 at 22. What do you do now?
- Make me your own market on the original ticket, and say why you chose that width.
Asked at Akuna Capital, Junior Trader Interview, Chicago, 2026 (Wall Street Oasis):
if you win you get 1$. how much money would be a fair bet.
026I will pay you if at least 60% of the flips of a fair coin come up heads. Do you want 10 flips or 100 flips?Hudson River TradingNew York · 2020
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Before you count anything: which do you take?
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Take 10 flips. You are betting on luck, and luck averages out as the trials pile up. With 10 flips, 6 or more heads happens 386 times in 1,024, about 37.7%. With 100 flips, 60 or more heads happens about 2.8% of the time. The share of heads settles towards 50% at the rate of one over the square root of n, so the 60% line gets harder to reach with every extra flip.
Why does the number of flips change the odds at all?
Think of a school with two cricket teams, one of eleven and one of a hundred and ten. If someone offers a prize for a team whose average height is 10 cm above the national average, the small team is the one that can win: one or two tall players move its average, while the big team's average is pinned down by sheer numbers. The same coin, flipped more often, produces a share of heads that sits ever closer to a half, so a payout that needs an unusual share wants the fewest flips you can get. This is the law of large numbers working against you, and the question is testing whether you know which side of it you are on.
With 10 flips the bars at 6 heads and above hold 37.7% of the probability, but with 100 flips the bars at 60 heads and above hold only 2.8%, because the share of heads tightens around a half as the flips increase. How do you put a number on it without a table?
Count the small case exactly: 6 or more heads in 10 flips means adding the ways to get 6, 7, 8, 9 and 10 heads, which are 210, 120, 45, 10 and 1, a total of 386 out of 1,024, so 37.7%. For 100 flips use the normal approximation. The standard deviation of the share of heads is 0.5 over the square root of n: 15.8% for 10 flips, 5% for 100. The 60% line is 0.6 standard deviations out in the first case and 2.0 in the second, and two standard deviations in one tail is about 2.3%. The exact binomial answer is 2.8%; the approximation gets you to the right decision in one breath.
The relationshipsigma of X bar the standard deviation of the share of heads n the number of flips z how many standard deviations the 60% line sits from the mean of 50% What it says in wordsThe 60% line gets further from the centre, measured in standard deviations, as the flips increase, so it becomes rarer to cross.What is the interviewer listening for after the answer?
Say the general rule and then the exception. The rule: whenever a payout needs the sample to look unlike the population, choose the smallest sample. The exception: if the payout were for landing between 40% and 60%, you would want the most flips, for exactly the same reason. Read the sign of the bet before you choose the sample size: a bet on luck wants few trials and a bet on the average wants many. If the interviewer changes the wording to more than 60%, 7 or more heads in 10 is 17.2%, still far above the 100-flip figure. And if the choice is between 100 and 1,000 flips, 600 or more heads happens about 1.36e-10 of the time, which is as close to never as a desk needs.
Where candidates lose it
The fast wrong answer is 100 flips, because more flips feel like more chances. They are more chances for the average to assert itself, not for luck. Candidates who say it have the law of large numbers backwards, and the interviewer hears it immediately.
The second loss is saying 10 without a number. Have the 386 out of 1,024 ready, then the standard deviation argument for 100, so the answer sounds reasoned rather than remembered.
What the interviewer asks next
- I pay you if the share of heads is between 45% and 55%. Now which do you want?
- What if the coin has a 60% bias towards heads? Does the answer flip?
- Roughly how many flips make the 60% line a three standard deviation event?
Asked at Hudson River Trading, Prop Trading, New York, 2020 (Wall Street Oasis):
Questions on EV for coin tosses, law of large numbers, Bayes theorem
043In your head, no paper: convert 3/32 to a decimal, work out 38 x 42, and give 1/7 to four decimal places.Belvedere TradingChicago · 2021
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What is 38 x 42?
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0.09375, 1,596 and 0.1429. For 3/32, halve 1 five times to get 1/32 = 0.03125 and multiply by 3. For 38 x 42, both sit 2 away from 40, so the product is 40 squared minus 2 squared, 1,600 - 4. For 1/7, the repeating block is 142857, because 7 x 142857 = 999,999, so 1/7 = 0.142857... which rounds to 0.1429. Each one is a known anchor plus one step.
Why does the interviewer ask three small sums in a row?
A shopkeeper who totals a bill in his head is not doing long addition; he rounds to the nearest hundred and fixes the difference. Trading desks ask quick sums to see whether you reach for an anchor you already know, because that is how prices get checked in the two seconds before someone else trades. The three questions here each have a short route: fractions with a power of two below them are halvings, products of numbers either side of a round number are a difference of squares, and sevenths are one repeating block of six digits. The speed comes from knowing which route fits, and the interviewer listens to the route as much as to the number.
Halving 1 five times gives 1/32 = 0.03125 and three of those make 0.09375, a 40 by 40 square with a 2 by 2 corner removed shows 38 x 42 = 1,596, and the six-digit cycle 142857 gives 1/7 = 0.1429 to four places. What is the route for each one?
For 3/32, keep halving from a half: 0.5, 0.25, 0.125, 0.0625, 0.03125. Every halving adds a digit, and 32 is five halvings, so 1/32 is 0.03125 and three of them are 0.09375. Bond traders do this all day, because US Treasury prices are quoted in 32nds. For 38 x 42, notice that both numbers sit 2 from 40, so the product is 40 squared minus 2 squared, 1,596, a trick that works for any pair placed evenly around a round number. The same trick gives 47 x 53 = 2,500 - 9 = 2,491. For 1/7, remember that 7 x 142857 = 999,999. So 1/7 is 142857 divided by 999,999, which is 0.142857 repeating, and the fifth decimal is 5, so it rounds up to 0.1429.
The relationship2 to the 5 32, five halvings of 1 a, b the round midpoint, 40, and the distance to each number, 2 the bar the block of six digits that repeats forever What it says in wordsTurn each sum into a fact you already know plus one small step.What does a strong candidate add after the answers?
Add the sanity check and the neighbours. A product of two numbers around a centre is always a little below the centre squared, so 1,596 must be under 1,600. Three 32nds must be just under a tenth, since 3.2 of them would make exactly 0.1. The sevenths share the same six digits in rotation, 2/7 = 0.285714 and 3/7 = 0.428571, so knowing one seventh gives you all six. The limitation is honest too: anchors cover the common cases, and for an awkward product like 37 x 46 you fall back on splitting, 37 x 46 = 37 x 50 - 37 x 4 = 1,850 - 148 = 1,702. Saying when you switch method sounds better than pretending one trick does everything.
Where candidates lose it
The common loss is starting long multiplication for 38 x 42 aloud, carrying digits and losing track. The interviewer gives you a pair either side of 40 on purpose; a candidate who does not spot it looks slow even if the answer is right.
The second is 1/7 as 0.1428, truncating instead of rounding. The next digit is 5, so the fourth decimal rounds up. Say the repeating block first, then round, and the slip disappears.
What the interviewer asks next
- What is 5/16 as a decimal, and 7/64?
- Work out 67 x 73 and 96 x 104 the same way.
- What is 5/7 to four places?
- Estimate 1/13 to three decimal places.
Asked at Belvedere Trading, Trading, Chicago, 2021 (Wall Street Oasis):
3/32 mental math, 38*42, crossing the bridge in the shortest amount of time
056In your head, no paper: 998 x 1,003. Then 2.5% of 4,860. Then 99 squared.Old Mission CapitalChicago · 2015Old Mission CapitalChicago · 2015
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998 x 1,003. Say it inside five seconds.
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1,000,994, then 121.5, then 9,801. 998 x 1,003 is (1,000 - 2)(1,000 + 3) = 1,000,000 + 1,000 - 6. For 2.5% of 4,860, take 10%, which is 486, and then a quarter of it, 121.5. For 99 squared, (100 - 1) squared is 10,000 - 200 + 1 = 9,801. In every case the move is the same: go to the nearest round number and fix the small error afterwards.
Why is the round number always the first move?
Buying seven items at Rs 99 each, nobody multiplies 99 by 7; you take Rs 700 and hand back Rs 7. Multiplying by a round number is free, and the correction is a small product you can hold in your head, so every mental multiplication is a round-number product plus or minus a correction. For 998 x 1,003 the round number is 1,000 for both, so the product is 1,000,000, the two cross terms are + 3 x 1,000 and - 2 x 1,000, which net to + 1,000, and the only real work is the sign of 2 x 3 at the end: a minus times a plus is a minus, so subtract 6.
Each calculation becomes a round-number product with a correction: 998 x 1,003 is a million plus 1,000 minus 6, which is 1,000,994; 2.5% of 4,860 is a tenth, 486, then a quarter, 121.5; and 99 squared is 10,000 minus 200 plus 1, which is 9,801. How do you handle percentages that are not round?
Build the percentage out of ones you can do instantly. 2.5% is a quarter of 10%, so take a tenth of 4,860, which is 486, and quarter it: half is 243, half again is 121.5. The same habit covers 7.5% as 10% minus a quarter of 10%, 15% as 10% plus half of that, and 12.5% as an eighth. On a desk this is how you convert a basis-point move to rupees while someone is still talking: 25 basis points on Rs 4,860 crore of notional is the same 121.5, in crore.
The relationshipa the nearest round number, here 1,000 or 100 b, c the small distances from the round number, here 2 and 3, or 1 bc the small product that carries the sign most people get wrong What it says in wordsA product near a round number is the round square plus the round number times the net offset, minus the product of the two offsets.What does the interviewer listen for beyond the answer?
Speed, but also the sanity check. 998 x 1,003 must be a little above a million because 998 x 1,003 is roughly 1,000 x 1,001, and 99 squared must end in 1 because 9 x 9 does, so a candidate who says 1,000,994 and 9,801 without pausing shows both the trick and the check. Where this breaks down is numbers that are not near anything round, such as 47 x 83; there the move is to split one factor, 47 x 80 + 47 x 3, and accept that it takes two beats rather than one.
Where candidates lose it
The slip in 998 x 1,003 is the sign of the last term: candidates add 6 and say 1,001,006, or drop the cross terms and say 999,994. Say the expansion out loud, plus 1,000 then minus 6, and the sign looks after itself.
The slip in 99 squared is forgetting the plus 1 and answering 9,800. The check is the last digit: 9 times 9 ends in 1, so 9,800 cannot be right.
What the interviewer asks next
- 1,002 x 997, same method.
- What is 12.5% of 4,860?
- 101 squared minus 99 squared, without squaring either.
- A bond moves 35 basis points on Rs 2,400 crore. How many crore is that?
Asked at Old Mission Capital, Prop Trading, Chicago, 2015 (Wall Street Oasis):
multiple questions based on arithmetic operations involving multiple digits. These questions are supposed to answered without consulting a calculator
Asked at Old Mission Capital, Prop Trading, Chicago, 2015 (Wall Street Oasis):Phone interview included arithmetic operations that was supposed to be done without pen or paper
058We roll two fair dice and you win if the total is exactly 10. How much would you be willing to risk to win Rs 100?Akuna CapitalChicago · 2025
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First, how many of the 36 outcomes total 10?
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At most Rs 100/11, about Rs 9.09. A total of 10 comes from (4, 6), (5, 5) and (6, 4), three of the 36 equally likely outcomes, so the chance is 1/12 and the odds are 11 to 1 against. A fair bet matches the odds: risk 1 to win 11, so to win Rs 100 the fair stake is 100/11. Risk Rs 10 and you lose about Rs 0.83 per game on average.
Why is the answer odds, not a probability?
A friend offers to pay you Rs 100 if your cricket team wins a match it wins one time in twelve. Paying Rs 20 to enter is a bad deal, and the way you know is by comparing what you risk to what you get: you lose Rs 20 eleven times and win Rs 100 once. A bet is fair when the stake and the prize are in the same ratio as the losing and winning chances, which is what odds express directly. One in twelve means eleven losses per win, so a fair stake is one eleventh of the prize: Rs 100/11, which is Rs 9.09. Anything above that is paying for the privilege of playing.
Of the 36 ordered outcomes of two dice, exactly three total 10, so the chance is 1/12, the odds are 11 to 1 against, and the fair stake to win Rs 100 is Rs 100/11, about Rs 9.09; staking Rs 10 loses about Rs 0.83 per game on average. How do you check the stake with expected value?
Set the expected profit to zero. With stake s, you win Rs 100 with chance 1/12 and lose s with chance 11/12, so the expectation is 100/12 - 11s/12, which is zero when s = 100/11. The expected value route and the odds route must agree, and saying both in the room shows the interviewer you can move between them. Then say the direction: a lower stake is a profitable bet for you, a higher one is profitable for the house, and at Rs 10 the house edge is 8.3% of your stake, which is roughly the edge a casino takes on its better games.
The relationship1/12 the chance of a total of 10, three cells out of 36 s the stake you risk 100/11 the fair stake, where the bet has zero expected value What it says in wordsThe fair stake is the prize divided by the odds against, which makes the expected profit zero.What would a trader add after the number?
That the fair stake is a ceiling, not an offer. A trader asked to risk money quotes below fair, say Rs 8, and explains the gap as the edge for taking the other side, because a bet at exactly fair value makes nothing over many plays. The limitation is that 1/12 is the chance only if the dice are fair and the counting is right; if the interviewer changes the target to 7, the chance rises to 6/36 and the fair stake jumps to Rs 20, so the first thing to re-check whenever the rules change is the count of winning cells.
Where candidates lose it
The common error is in the count: giving 2 winning outcomes by treating 4-6 and 6-4 as the same, or 4 by counting 5-5 twice. Lay out the ordered pairs and say three of 36.
The second loss is quoting Rs 8.33, which is 100/12. That is the expected prize, not the fair stake. Odds of 11 to 1 mean the stake is 100/11.
What the interviewer asks next
- Same game but you win on a total of 7. What is the fair stake now?
- You are offered the bet at a stake of Rs 8. What is your expected profit per game?
- How would you change the stake if the dice might be loaded?
- You can play 100 times at Rs 8. What is the chance you end up behind?
Asked at Akuna Capital, Trading, Chicago, 2025 (Wall Street Oasis):
We are playing a game where we roll two dice. You win if you roll a 10, how much would you risk to win $100?
065A contract pays, in rupees, the amount by which a fair die roll exceeds 4, and nothing otherwise. What is it worth? What about the matching put, which pays the amount by which the roll falls short of 4?Belvedere TradingChicago · 2021
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The die call with strike 4. What is it worth?
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The call is worth Rs 0.50 and the put is worth Rs 1.00. The call pays 1 on a 5 and 2 on a 6, so its average payoff is 3/6. The put pays 3 on a 1, 2 on a 2 and 1 on a 3, so its average is 6/6. The put is worth more because the strike of 4 sits above the die's mean of 3.5, and call minus put equals 3.5 minus 4, which is minus 0.5.
Why is a die option priced by averaging the payoffs?
A school raffle with six equally likely tickets where ticket 5 pays Rs 1 and ticket 6 pays Rs 2 is worth exactly the average prize, Rs 0.50, because nothing else is uncertain and nobody can hedge a die roll. With equally likely outcomes and no hedge available, the fair price of a payoff is its expected value, so you list the payoff on each face and average. For the call with strike 4: 0, 0, 0, 0, 1, 2, which averages 0.5. For the put: 3, 2, 1, 0, 0, 0, which averages 1.0. Each payoff is floored at zero, which is what makes it an option rather than a forward.
Face by face, the strike-4 call pays 0, 0, 0, 0, 1 and 2 for an average of 0.5, the put pays 3, 2, 1, 0, 0 and 0 for an average of 1.0, and the difference of minus 0.5 equals the expected roll of 3.5 minus the strike of 4. What is the parity check, and why does it work on a die?
Add the call and subtract the put on every face. Call minus put on any single face equals the roll minus 4 exactly, because whichever side is in the money pays the gap and the other pays nothing, so the average of call minus put is the average roll minus the strike: 3.5 - 4 = - 0.5. That is put-call parity with no interest and no dividends, and it gives a one-line check: once you have the call at 0.5, the put must be 0.5 + 0.5 = 1.0. On a real option the same identity holds with the forward in place of the expected roll.
The relationshipC, P the values of the die call and die put with strike 4 E[roll] the expected face of a fair die, 3.5 K the strike, 4 What it says in wordsThe call is worth half a rupee, the put one rupee, and their difference equals the expected roll minus the strike, which is parity.What does the interviewer ask next, and where does the analogy stop?
The next question is usually a different strike, or a market. Move the strike to 3 and the call pays 1, 2 and 3 on the top three faces, worth 1.0, while the put pays 2 and 1, worth 0.5, so the two swap values because the strike is now below the mean. Where the analogy stops is hedging: a real option is priced not by the expected payoff under your view but by the cost of replicating it with the underlying, which shifts the probabilities to the risk-neutral ones; on a die there is nothing to trade against, so the expectation under the real probabilities is the price.
Where candidates lose it
The fast wrong answer is to compute 3.5 minus 4 and say the call is worth minus 0.5, or to count two paying faces and say 1/3. A call never pays a negative amount: list the payoffs face by face and average.
The second loss is pricing the put from scratch and getting it right while missing the parity relation. Say call minus put equals 3.5 minus 4 and the interviewer hears that you know what parity is.
What the interviewer asks next
- Price the call and the put with strike 3.
- What is the value of a contract that pays the square of the roll minus 10, floored at zero?
- Make a two-way market on the strike-4 call.
- Why does put-call parity on a real stock use the forward rather than the expected price?
Asked at Belvedere Trading, Generalist, Chicago, 2021 (Wall Street Oasis):
Pricing an option contract on a game involving rolling a die.
067A staircase has 10 steps and you climb either one or two steps at a time. How many different ways are there to reach the top?Tower Research CapitalNew York · 2012
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Ten steps, singles or doubles. How many routes?
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89 ways. Think about the last move. Either it was a single step from step 9 or a double step from step 8, and those two cases cannot overlap, so ways(10) = ways(9) + ways(8). With ways(1) = 1 and ways(2) = 2, the sequence runs 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21, 34, 55, 89. It is the Fibonacci rule, shifted by one place.
Why count by the last move rather than the first?
Ask how many ways there are to arrive at a railway junction and you count the lines coming in, not the stations people set out from. Every route to step n arrives from exactly one of two places, step n - 1 by a single or step n - 2 by a double, so the routes to n are the routes to those two places added together. The first move works just as well, but the last move makes the recursion read naturally from the top down, and it is the habit that generalises to harder counting problems where you condition on the final event.
Each count is the sum of the two before it, because the last move is a single step from n - 1 or a double from n - 2, and from ways(1) = 1 and ways(2) = 2 the sequence reaches 89 at ten steps. How do you check 89 a second way?
Count by how many doubles you use. With k doubles and 10 - 2k singles you make 10 - k moves in total, and the number of orderings is 10 - k choose k, so the total is the sum over k from 0 to 5 of C(10 - k, k). That is 1 + 9 + 28 + 35 + 15 + 1 = 89, the same answer by a route that does not use the recursion at all. Two methods agreeing is the thing to say out loud; it also hands you the next question, since the terms tell you that four doubles and two singles is the most common shape of route.
The relationshipw(n) the number of ways to climb n steps in singles and doubles k the number of double steps used in a route C(10 - k, k) the ways to place k doubles among 10 - k moves What it says in wordsThe count follows the Fibonacci rule and equals the sum over the number of doubles of the ways to arrange them.Where does this pattern appear in trading, and where does it stop?
In anything built from steps of two sizes: the number of ways a price can move up to a level in ticks of one and two, or the number of paths in a recombining tree. The recursion is also the warm-up for dynamic programming, where the value of a position is built from the values of the positions it can reach, which is how an American option is priced on a lattice. The limitation is that Fibonacci only appears when every move is a one or a two; allow a three-step jump and the rule becomes a sum of the previous three terms, with 274 ways for ten steps.
Where candidates lose it
The common wrong answer is 2 to the 10, from imagining a free choice at every step. A double skips a step, so the choices are not independent. Set up the recursion by the last move and the structure appears.
The second loss is starting the sequence at the wrong place. Ways(1) is 1 and ways(2) is 2, so ten steps give 89 and not 55 or 144.
What the interviewer asks next
- Now you may also take three steps at a time. How many ways for 10 steps?
- How many of the 89 routes use exactly three double steps?
- What is the probability a random route uses no doubles at all?
- How is this recursion related to pricing an option on a binomial tree?
Asked at Tower Research Capital, Intern Interview -, New York, 2012 (Wall Street Oasis):
How many ways can you jump up stairs if you can only jump either 1 or 2 steps? Answer: Fibonacci sequence.
082Without paper: 56 x 56, then 73 x 74.Akuna CapitalChicago · 2025DRWLondon · 2026
Try it first
Which first move gets 56 x 56 out fastest in your head?
Show the worked solution
3,136 and 5,402. Anchor 56 on 50: (50 + 6)^2 = 2,500 + 2 x 50 x 6 + 36 = 3,136. For 73 x 74, square the smaller number and add it once: 73^2 = (70 + 3)^2 = 4,900 + 420 + 9 = 5,329, then 5,329 + 73 = 5,402. Check each a second way: 56^2 = 60 x 52 + 4^2 = 3,120 + 16, and 73 x 74 = 70 x 74 + 3 x 74 = 5,180 + 222.
Why anchor on a round number instead of multiplying digit by digit?
Measuring a room, you do not count tiles one by one; you count whole rows, then the part row, then the corner. A square of side 56 is a 50 by 50 block, two 50 by 6 strips and a 6 by 6 corner. Anchoring on 50 replaces one hard multiplication with four numbers you already hold and one addition, which is the whole trick of mental arithmetic under a clock. 2,500, 300, 300 and 36 add to 3,136. The second strip is the one people drop; say both strips aloud.
A square of side 56 splits into a 50 by 50 block worth 2,500, two 50 by 6 strips worth 300 each and a 6 by 6 corner worth 36, adding to 3,136, and a 73 by 74 rectangle splits into a 73 by 73 square worth 5,329 plus one extra column of 73, adding to 5,402. How do you handle 73 x 74 when neither number is round?
Consecutive numbers are a square plus the smaller number: 73 x 74 = 73 x 73 + 73. That turns the problem into a square you can anchor, (70 + 3)^2 = 4,900 + 420 + 9 = 5,329, and one more addition, 5,402. Rewriting a product into a square and a correction works because a square has a shape you can reconstruct, and the correction is a number you already have. It also stops a common slip: people who try 70 x 74 then add 3 x 74 get it right too, but 3 x 74 = 222 is where under time pressure the 2 and the 22 get muddled.
The relationshipa the round anchor, 50 or 70 b the remainder, 6 or 3 n the smaller of two consecutive numbers, 73 What it says in wordsA square anchors on a round number plus a remainder, and a product of neighbours is the square of the smaller one plus itself.Then check, out loud, in a different way. 56^2 is also 60 x 52 + 4^2, because (n + d)(n - d) = n^2 - d^2 with n = 56 and d = 4: 3,120 + 16 = 3,136. And 73 x 74 = 70 x 74 + 3 x 74 = 5,180 + 222 = 5,402. The interviewer times the first answer but listens for the second route; a trader who checks is worth more than one who is merely fast. The limitation: these tricks suit two-digit numbers near a round anchor; for 87 x 93 use the difference of squares around 90 instead.
Where candidates lose it
The common loss on 56^2 is dropping one of the two cross terms and saying 2,836. Say two times 50 times 6, not fifty times six, so the doubling is audible to you as well as the interviewer.
On 73 x 74 the loss is choosing a route with a hard middle step, like 73 x 70 plus 73 x 4, and stalling on 292. Square and add one copy; it is the shortest path and the easiest to check.
What the interviewer asks next
- Now 87 x 93.
- What is 56^2 minus 44^2, without computing either square?
- Give me 1/56 to two decimal places.
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The mental math problems which were timed, one example was the 56*56
Asked at DRW, Trader Intern Interview, London, 2026 (Wall Street Oasis):Mental math multiplication (e.g. 73*74)
