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  1. 018What is the beta of a slot machine that pays back Rs 92 on average for every Rs 100 staked? And why does its expected return not match what the capital asset pricing model would give an asset with that beta?Cost of capital, leverage and ratesHardRothschild & CoNew York · 2021

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    What is the slot machine's beta?

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    Its beta is zero, yet its expected return is minus 8%. Beta measures movement with the market, and a slot machine's payouts are random and unrelated to the market. CAPM would give a zero-beta asset the risk-free rate, say 7% a year, so the machine falls short by at least 15 points. There is no contradiction: CAPM prices assets bought as investments, and a slot machine is bought as entertainment.

    How can something so risky have a beta of zero?

    Think of an umbrella seller and an ice cream seller in the same town. Each has a volatile income, but whether it rains has nothing to do with the stock market. BetaHow much an asset tends to move when the market moves, measured as its covariance with the market divided by the variance of the market. measures how an asset moves with the market, not how much it moves, so a gamble driven by a random number generator has a beta of zero. The slot machine is about as volatile as anything in a town, but all of that risk is the kind a diversified owner can spread away, and in this case the casino does exactly that across thousands of players.

    No slope against the market, and still a loss on average-60%-30%+30%+60%0%-8%0%+8%fitted line: flat at -8%, beta = 0Player's return on stakesMarket return that monthExpected return0+7%-8%CAPM, beta 0:risk-free rate,a yearSlot machine:per stake,in secondsGap: at least 15 points
    Slot machine sessions plotted against the market's return show no slope, so the fitted beta is zero and the average session loses 8%. CAPM gives a zero-beta asset the risk-free rate, so the slot machine falls well short of what its beta alone would predict.

    Why does CAPM not give it the risk-free rate?

    CAPM says expected return equals the risk-free rate plus beta times the equity risk premium. With beta of zero that is just the risk-free rate, 7% a year in this example. The machine instead returns minus 8% on every stake, and a stake lasts seconds, so over a year of play the gap is far wider than the 15 points the two headline numbers suggest. In CAPM language that is a large negative alphaThe return an asset earns above or below what its beta implies under CAPM..

    The relationship
    E[r]=rf+β (E[rm]−rf)=7%+0×6%=7%slot:92−100100=−8%E[r] = r_f + \beta\,(E[r_m] - r_f) = 7\% + 0 \times 6\% = 7\% \qquad \text{slot}: \frac{92 - 100}{100} = -8\%
    r_frisk-free rate, 7% a year in this example
    βthe slot machine's beta, zero
    E[r_m] - r_fequity risk premium, 6%
    What it says in wordsCAPM gives a zero-beta asset the risk-free rate; the slot machine returns 92 for every 100 staked.

    So is CAPM wrong?

    No, it is answering a different question. CAPM describes the prices of assets that diversified investors hold to earn a return, where anyone could sell an overpriced asset short. Nobody plays a slot machine for return; players pay 8% of each stake for entertainment, the way a cinema ticket has a negative return. And you cannot short a single slot machine to collect the edge. The only way to take the other side is to own the casino, which needs licences, buildings and capital, and the casino's return on that capital is what an investor would compare with CAPM. Say that and the interviewer hears that you know where a model applies, not just its formula.

    Where candidates lose it

    The common loss is saying the beta is high because a slot machine is risky. That confuses total risk with market risk, which is the exact distinction CAPM is built on.

    The second loss is answering zero and then claiming the machine should earn the risk-free rate, or that CAPM is broken. Close with why the model does not apply: a consumption good with no way to short it is outside the model's world.

    What the interviewer asks next

    • What is the beta of the casino company's shares, and why is it not zero?
    • Can you think of an investment asset with a beta below zero? What return would CAPM give it?
    • What is your own personal beta, if your salary depends on the stock market?

    Asked at Rothschild & Co, Mergers and Acquisitions, New York, 2021 (Wall Street Oasis): what is the beta of a slot machine?

  2. 043A company earns Rs 100 crore with 10 crore shares trading at Rs 200. It borrows Rs 400 crore at 9%, with a 25% tax rate, to buy back 2 crore shares. What happens to EPS, and at what P/E would the buyback break even?Cost of capital, leverage and ratesHardDeutsche BankSan Francisco · 2025

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    Fewer shares, more interest. Which way does EPS move?

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    EPS falls from Rs 10.00 to Rs 9.125; the buyback breaks even at a P/E of 14.8x. After-tax interest is 400 x 9% x 75% = Rs 27 crore, so net income drops to Rs 73 crore over 8 crore shares. The shares cost 20x earnings, a 5% earnings yield, but the debt costs 6.75% after tax. EPS rises only if the P/E is below 1 / 0.0675 = 14.8x.

    What decides whether a buyback raises or lowers EPS?

    Think of borrowing at 9% to buy a shop that pays you 5% of its price in profit each year. Your income falls, even though you now own more. Buying your own shares is buying their earnings: it raises EPS only if the earnings yield on the shares, one over the P/E, beats the after-tax cost of the money used. At Rs 200 a share and EPS of Rs 10, the shares yield 5%. The debt costs 9% x (1 - 25%), which is 6.75%. You pay 6.75% to buy a 5% stream, so EPS falls.

    Buying at 20x earnings costs more than the 6.75% after-tax debt: EPS fallsRs 10.00BeforeRs 9.125After buyback73 / 8 = 9.125, down 8.75%10x15x20x25x89101112P/E paid for the sharesEPS after buyback, Rsold EPS 10breakeven 14.8x20x: Rs 9.125accretive
    Funding the buyback with 6.75% after-tax debt at 20x earnings cuts EPS from Rs 10.00 to Rs 9.125, and post-buyback EPS only beats the old Rs 10 when the shares are bought below 14.8x, the inverse of the after-tax cost of debt.
    The relationship
    EPS rises  ⟺  1P/E>rd(1−t)  ⟺  P/E<10.09×0.75=14.8×\text{EPS rises} \iff \frac{1}{\text{P/E}} > r_d(1-t) \iff \text{P/E} < \frac{1}{0.09 \times 0.75} = 14.8\times
    1/(P/E)the earnings yield on the shares bought back
    r_d(1-t)the after-tax cost of the debt used to buy them
    What it says in wordsA debt-funded buyback raises EPS only when the earnings yield on the shares beats the after-tax interest rate.

    Does a lower EPS mean the buyback destroys value?

    Not by itself. EPS is an accounting test, and it ignores what happens to risk. Replacing equity with debt raises the risk borne by every remaining share, so a fall in EPS can sit alongside an unchanged or higher share price if the debt tax shield is worth more than the extra risk. Equally, a rise in EPS at a low P/E is not proof of value created. Say both sides: the EPS answer is Rs 9.125, the breakeven is 14.8x, and the value question turns on whether the shares were bought below what they are worth and on what the extra leverage does to the cost of equity.

    Where candidates lose it

    The fast wrong answer is that EPS rises because there are fewer shares: Rs 100 crore over 8 crore shares, Rs 12.50. That forgets the interest on the borrowing, which is the whole point of the question.

    The second loss is forgetting tax. Interest is tax deductible, so the cost that matters is 6.75%, not 9%. Using the pre-tax rate gives a breakeven P/E of 11.1x and the wrong threshold.

    What the interviewer asks next

    • What if the buyback were funded with cash earning 4% before tax?
    • At what share price would the buyback be exactly EPS-neutral?
    • Why might a board do a dilutive buyback anyway?

    Asked at Deutsche Bank, Investment Banking, San Francisco, 2025 (Wall Street Oasis): What happens to EPS if a company issues debt to buyback shares

  3. 082Two companies each have revenue of Rs 1,000 crore, EBIT of Rs 100 crore and Rs 500 crore of debt at 10%. Company A has fixed operating costs of Rs 600 crore; company B has Rs 100 crore, with the rest of each cost base variable. Revenue falls 20% at both. What happens to each company's lenders and to each company's shareholders?Cost of capital, leverage and ratesHardOaktree Capital ManagementLos Angeles · 2024

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    After the 20% fall, what is company A's EBIT?

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    A's lenders are in trouble and B's are merely uncomfortable; both sets of shareholders take a far bigger hit than revenue. A's EBIT swings from Rs 100 crore to minus Rs 40 crore and cannot cover Rs 50 crore of interest. B's falls to Rs 60 crore and covers it 1.2 times. Profit before tax falls 280% at A and 80% at B: operating and financial leverage multiply.

    Why do identical profits hide very different risks?

    Take two tea stalls that each clear Rs 10,000 a month. One rents a shop for Rs 60,000 a month and buys cheap; the other rents a cart for Rs 10,000 and pays more per cup. In a good month they look the same. In a bad month the shop's rent is still due while the cart's costs fall with its sales. Fixed costs do not shrink when revenue does, so the higher the fixed share of costs, the more of every lost rupee of revenue comes straight out of profit. That sensitivity is operating leverage.

    Work out each company's variable cost. A spends Rs 900 crore to make Rs 100 crore of EBIT; Rs 600 crore of that is fixed, so Rs 300 crore, or 30% of revenue, is variable. B's Rs 900 crore is Rs 100 crore fixed and Rs 800 crore variable, 80% of revenue. So a lost rupee of revenue costs A 70 paise of EBIT and B only 20 paise. Revenue falls by Rs 200 crore: A loses Rs 140 crore of EBIT, B loses Rs 40 crore.

    Revenue down 20%: same debt, very different lenders' positionsCompany A: fixed costs Rs 600 crorevariable costs 30% of revenueinterest Rs 50 cr100EBIT today-40EBIT after -20%Interest cover -0.8x: needs cash or new moneyCompany B: fixed costs Rs 100 crorevariable costs 80% of revenueinterest Rs 50 cr100EBIT today60EBIT after -20%Interest cover 1.2x: lender paid, thinly
    After the same 20% fall in revenue, company A's EBIT turns to minus Rs 40 crore against Rs 50 crore of interest, while company B's falls to Rs 60 crore and still covers interest 1.2 times, because A's costs are mostly fixed.

    What does each lender actually face?

    Each lender is owed Rs 50 crore of interest a year, 10% on Rs 500 crore. B's lender is paid out of operating profit with Rs 10 crore to spare: thin, and a rating analyst would note coverage dropping from 2.0x to 1.2x, but no default. A's lender is not paid from operations at all. A must find Rs 90 crore of cash, Rs 50 crore of interest plus the Rs 40 crore operating loss, from its cash balance, an asset sale or new borrowing, so its lender's safety now depends on liquidity, not earnings. A's break-even revenue to cover interest is Rs 929 crore, just 7% below today; B's is Rs 750 crore, 25% below.

    The relationship
    DTL=ContributionEBIT⏟DOL×EBITEBIT−Interest⏟DFLA:7×2=14B:2×2=4\text{DTL} = \underbrace{\frac{\text{Contribution}}{\text{EBIT}}}_{\text{DOL}} \times \underbrace{\frac{\text{EBIT}}{\text{EBIT} - \text{Interest}}}_{\text{DFL}} \qquad A: 7 \times 2 = 14 \qquad B: 2 \times 2 = 4
    DOLdegree of operating leverage: per cent change in EBIT for a 1% change in revenue
    DFLdegree of financial leverage: per cent change in profit before tax for a 1% change in EBIT
    Contributionrevenue less variable costs: Rs 700 crore at A, Rs 200 crore at B
    What it says in wordsTotal leverage is operating leverage times financial leverage, so a 20% revenue fall cuts profit before tax by 20 x 14 = 280% at A and 20 x 4 = 80% at B.

    Why do shareholders and lenders feel operating leverage differently?

    Run revenue up 20% as well as down. A's profit before tax jumps from Rs 50 crore to Rs 190 crore and B's to Rs 90 crore. A's shareholders get the steep line both ways, and their loss is capped at the value of their shares. The lender gets the same Rs 50 crore in the good year and the base year, and loses only in the bad year, so operating leverage hands the upside to equity and the downside to debt. That is why credit analysts ask about the fixed cost base before they ask about margins, and why lenders to high fixed cost businesses ask for lower debt or tighter covenants.

    Shareholders ride the slope; the lender's Rs 50 crore never grows-200-10001002003007008009001,0001,1001,2001,300Revenue, Rs croreProfit before tax, Rs crorebelow zero: EBIT no longer covers interestrevenue -20%Company Aslope 0.70 per rupeeat 800: -90at 1,200: +190Company Bslope 0.20 per rupeeat 800: +10at 1,200: +90Lender to eitherRs 50 cr, if paid
    Both companies earn Rs 50 crore before tax at Rs 1,000 crore of revenue, but A's profit line is 3.5 times as steep as B's, swinging from minus Rs 90 crore to plus Rs 190 crore, while the lender to either receives only its fixed Rs 50 crore.

    The limitation: real fixed costs are not perfectly fixed. A could cut overheads, defer maintenance or renegotiate rent within a few quarters, so the first year is the dangerous one. Say that, and the answer moves from a formula to a judgement.

    Where candidates lose it

    The common error is assuming profit falls in line with revenue: 20% off Rs 100 crore of EBIT gives Rs 80 crore for both companies, and the candidate concludes nothing changes. The question gave the fixed cost split precisely so you would compute the variable cost ratio first and see that A loses 70 paise per rupee.

    The second loss is talking only about equity. The question asks about lenders too, and their position is asymmetric: no extra reward when revenue rises, full exposure when fixed costs bite. Name interest coverage, the cash shortfall and the break-even revenue, and you have answered as a credit analyst would.

    What the interviewer asks next

    • How much debt could A carry and still cover interest 1.5 times after a 20% revenue fall?
    • A wants to convert Rs 300 crore of fixed costs to variable through outsourcing at a higher unit cost. How does that change its lender's view?
    • Why do lenders to airlines and hotels typically accept lower debt multiples than lenders to distributors?

    Asked at Oaktree Capital Management, Credit, Los Angeles, 2024 (Wall Street Oasis): How does operating leverage affect debt vs. equity holders

  4. 092A 10-year zero-coupon bond and a 10-year bond paying an 8% annual coupon both yield 8%. Yields rise by one percentage point. Which bond's price falls more, by roughly how much, and why?Cost of capital, leverage and ratesHardBarclaysLondon · 2025PIMCOLondon · 2022AmundiLondon · 2018

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    Same maturity, same yield. Which falls more when yields rise?

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    The zero falls more: about 8.8% against about 6.4% for the coupon bond. Price sensitivity follows duration, the present-value-weighted average time to each cash flow. The zero's only cash flow is at year 10, so its duration is 10 years. The coupon bond returns part of its value early, so its duration is 7.25 years. Modified duration predicts falls of 9.26% and 6.71%; convexity makes the actual falls slightly smaller.

    Why does the timing of cash flows decide the sensitivity?

    Two friends each owe you Rs 1,000 in total. One will repay it all in ten years; the other pays Rs 80 a year and the rest at the end. If prices start rising faster and money loses value faster, which IOU loses more value? The one where every rupee is ten years away. The second friend's early payments are already in your hands and can be reinvested at the new higher rates. A bond's price sensitivity to yield depends on when its value arrives on average, not on its final maturity date. That average, weighted by present value, is the Macaulay duration.

    Duration is the balance point of the cash flows' present values7.416.926.435.945.455.064.774.384.091050.0coupon + principalYear of cash flow (coupon bond)balance point 7.25 yearsZero couponall at year 10duration 10.00
    Drawn as present values on a timeline, the coupon bond's cash flows balance at 7.25 years because the coupons pull the weight earlier, while the zero-coupon bond has all its value at year 10 and a duration of exactly 10 years.

    How big is each fall?

    Use modified duration, Macaulay duration divided by one plus the yield, as the percentage price change per point of yield. For the zero, 10 / 1.08 = 9.26; for the coupon bond, 7.25 / 1.08 = 6.71. So a one point rise should cut prices by about 9.3% and 6.7%. Repricing exactly: the zero goes from 46.32 to 42.24, down 8.80%; the coupon bond goes from par, 100.00, to 93.58, down 6.42%.

    The relationship
    ΔPP≈−DMac1+y Δyzero: −101.08×1%=−9.26%coupon: −7.251.08×1%=−6.71%\frac{\Delta P}{P} \approx -\frac{D_{\text{Mac}}}{1+y}\,\Delta y \qquad \text{zero: } -\frac{10}{1.08}\times 1\% = -9.26\% \qquad \text{coupon: } -\frac{7.25}{1.08}\times 1\% = -6.71\%
    D_MacMacaulay duration: present-value-weighted average time to the cash flows, in years
    ythe yield, 8%
    \Delta ythe change in yield, one percentage point
    What it says in wordsThe percentage price change is roughly minus modified duration times the change in yield.
    Price vs yield, both bonds rebased to 100 at 8%: the zero is steeper60801001201401604%6%8%10%12%Yield10-year zero10-year 8% couponYield 8% to 9%Zero coupon-8.8%8% coupon-6.4%duration guess:-9.26% and -6.71%
    Rebased to 100 at an 8% yield, the zero's price curve is steeper than the coupon bond's, so a rise to 9% cuts the zero by 8.8% and the coupon bond by 6.4%, each a little less than the straight-line duration estimate because the curves bow outward.

    Why are the actual falls smaller than duration predicts?

    Duration is the slope of the price curve at today's yield, a straight-line estimate. The real curve bows outward, so as yields rise each further step hurts a little less, and as yields fall each step helps a little more. That curvature, convexity, makes a plain bond fall less than duration predicts when yields rise and gain more than predicted when they fall. For a one point move the gap is small, under half a point here; for larger moves, add the convexity term or simply reprice the bond.

    Two practical notes. Most Indian government bonds pay coupons twice a year, which shortens the duration slightly but leaves the answer unchanged. And the gap between the bonds widens with maturity and narrows as coupons fall: a coupon bond's duration always sits below its maturity, while a zero's always equals it.

    Where candidates lose it

    The common wrong answer is 'the same, both are ten-year bonds'. Maturity tells you when the last payment arrives; duration tells you when the value arrives. Interviewers ask this exact pair to see whether you know the difference.

    The second loss is giving the direction without a size, or quoting duration as the answer to the decimal. The strong answer gives the modified duration estimate, about 9.3% against 6.7%, then says the actual falls are a little smaller because of convexity, and names why the coupons shorten the duration.

    What the interviewer asks next

    • What would the coupon bond's duration be if it paid a 12% coupon instead: longer or shorter than 7.25 years?
    • A bank funds 10-year fixed-rate loans with one-year deposits. What happens to its value when rates rise one point?
    • Why can a callable bond's effective duration fall as yields fall?

    Asked at Barclays, Sales and Trading, London, 2025 (Wall Street Oasis): Regarding interest rate duration for certain products and how it changes based on maturity, tenor etc
    Asked at PIMCO, Sales, London, 2022 (Wall Street Oasis): Typically the product interview was toughest with questions regarding applications of duration
    Asked at Amundi, Rates, London, 2018 (Wall Street Oasis): What would your allocation be in today's market? What is effective duration?

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