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019A plant's output grows 10% every month. Roughly how many months until output doubles, and how long until it is eight times today's level? Use the rule of 72, then check it against the exact answer.Consulting-style caseCorporate FP&A
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How long until output is eight times today's level?
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Output doubles in about 7.2 months and reaches eight times in about 21.6 months, by the rule of 72. Divide 72 by the growth rate in per cent: 72 over 10 is 7.2 months per doubling, and eight times is three doublings. The exact answer, the log of 2 over the log of 1.1, is 7.27 months, or 21.8 months for eight times, so the rule is within a fifth of a month.
Why does eight times take three doublings and not 70 months?
Think of a rumour that doubles the number of people who know it every week. One becomes two, then four, then eight in three weeks, not eight weeks. Compounding growth multiplies, so the question to ask is how many doublings fit in, not how many 10% steps add up to 700%. Two times two times two is eight, so eight times today's output is three doublings away. Dividing 700% by 10% a month treats each month's growth as if it were earned only on the starting level.
The relationshipln 2 the natural log of 2, about 0.693 ln 1.10 the natural log of one month's growth factor, about 0.0953 72 a convenient number close to 100 times ln 2, with many divisors What it says in wordsDoubling time is the log of two divided by the log of one period's growth factor; the rule of 72 approximates that with one division.At 10% a month, output reaches twice today's level after 7.27 months, four times after 14.5 and eight times after 21.8. The rule of 72 marks at 7.2, 14.4 and 21.6 months sit just short of each, so the shortcut is close enough to say out loud. Where does the rule of 72 work, and where does it slip?
The exact doubling time uses the log of 1 plus the rate, which is a little less than the rate itself, and 72 is chosen to compensate for typical rates. The rule is within about 1% for rates from 5% to 10% a period and drifts at the extremes: at 2% it overstates, and at 50% it understates. At 10% the gap is only 0.07 months. A check in whole months helps too: 1.1 to the 7th is 1.95 and to the 8th is 2.14, so output passes double during month 8.
Growth per period Rule of 72 Exact Gap 2% 36.00 35.00 +2.8% 5% 14.40 14.21 +1.4% 10% 7.20 7.27 -1.0% 25% 2.88 3.11 -7.3% 50% 1.44 1.71 -15.8% Periods to double, with the rule's error as a share of the exact answer. It is within about 1% at 5% and 10% a period, and drifts further at very low and very high rates. Say the limit in context. Output growing 10% a month for two years is a startup or a ramp-up, not a steady state; a plant hits capacity, demand or cash constraints long before it has grown nearly tenfold. The interviewer wants the arithmetic, then one sentence of business sense.
Where candidates lose it
The common loss is answering about 70 months for eight times, treating the growth as simple rather than compound. It is the same instinct that underestimates how quickly compounding builds.
The second loss is reaching for a calculator-style log in your head and stalling. Give the rule of 72 answer first, then say the exact number is a little longer, about 7.3 months.
What the interviewer asks next
- Using the same idea, how long does it take for prices to halve in value at 6% inflation?
- Why do some people use 69 or 70 instead of 72?
- Output grows 10% a month for a year. What is the annual growth rate?
044Revenue went from Rs 100 crore to Rs 200 crore in five years and management calls it 20% annual growth. What is the true compound annual growth rate? And what is it for yearly growth of 50%, minus 20%, 30%, 10% and 5%?Corporate FP&AEquity research
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Doubling in five years is what compound rate?
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The true CAGR is 14.9%, and the second series compounds at 12.5%, not the 15% its average suggests. Doubling in five years means (200/100) to the power one-fifth, less one: 14.87%. For the yearly series, multiply the growth factors: 1.5 x 0.8 x 1.3 x 1.1 x 1.05 = 1.8018, whose fifth root gives 12.50%. A simple average ignores both compounding and volatility.
Why is doubling in five years not 20% a year?
Think of a savings account that pays interest on interest. To double your money in five years you need less than 20% a year, because each year's growth is earned on a larger balance. Total growth divided by the number of years ignores compounding, so it always overstates the annual rate for a gain. The rate that compounds 100 to 200 in five years is the fifth root of 2 less one, 14.87%. Compounding at the claimed 20% would have produced 248.8.
Compounding at 14.9% takes revenue from 100 to 200 in five years while the claimed 20% would have reached 249, and yearly growth that averages 15% only takes 100 to 180.2, a compound rate of 12.5%. The relationshipg_i growth in year i product multiply the yearly growth factors, do not add the rates What it says in wordsMultiply the growth factors, take the n-th root, and subtract one.Why does an uneven path lose so much to its average?
A fall hurts more than an equal rise helps, because the rise then starts from a smaller base: 100 up 50% is 150, down 20% is 120, not 130. The gap between the average and the compound rate grows with how much the yearly rates vary; roughly, CAGR is the average less half the variance of the rates. Here the rates have a variance of 0.056, so the shortcut gives 15% less 2.8 points, about 12.2%, close to the exact 12.5%. Use this when a pitch quotes average growth: ask for the start and end values and compute the compound rate yourself.
Where candidates lose it
The trap is dividing the total gain by the years: 100% over five is 20%. It is the number management wants you to repeat, and it overstates growth by about five points a year.
For the uneven series, candidates add the rates and divide by five. Multiply the factors instead, or at least say that volatility drags the compound rate below the average.
What the interviewer asks next
- What is the CAGR if revenue triples in ten years?
- A fund gains 100% then loses 50%. What is its two-year CAGR?
- Why do analysts quote CAGR rather than average growth for revenue?
057A toll road concession will pay Rs 50 crore a year forever, with the first payment at the end of year 4. At a 10% discount rate, what is it worth today?Project financeCorporate finance
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What is the concession worth today?
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About Rs 375.7 crore. The perpetuity formula, 50 / 0.10 = Rs 500 crore, gives a value one period before the first payment, which here is the end of year 3. Discount that three years: 500 / 1.1 cubed = 500 / 1.331 = Rs 375.66 crore. Discounting four years because the cash starts in year 4 is the classic slip and gives Rs 341.5 crore.
Where in time does the perpetuity formula put its value?
Picture someone who will retire in four years and has been promised a pension from that day on. On the eve of the first payment, the pension is worth a neat round sum; four years out, that round sum itself is still in the future. Cash flow divided by the rate gives the value one period before the first payment, never on the day of it. The standard formula assumes the first payment comes one year from the valuation date. If the first payment is at year 4, the formula is standing at year 3.
So value the stream at year 3 and bring that single lump back to today. At year 3 the concession is worth 50 / 0.10 = Rs 500 crore. Three years of discounting at 10% means dividing by 1.1 x 1.1 x 1.1 = 1.331, which leaves Rs 375.66 crore.
The perpetuity formula values the year 4 onward payments at Rs 500 crore at year 3, one year before the first payment, and discounting three years at 10% brings that to Rs 375.66 crore today; discounting four years gives a wrong Rs 341.5 crore. How do you check it a second way?
Value a perpetuity that starts next year and subtract the three payments this one does not have. A full perpetuity from year 1 is worth Rs 500 crore. The missing payments in years 1 to 3 are a three-year annuity worth 50 x 2.487 = Rs 124.34 crore. Rs 500 crore less Rs 124.34 crore is Rs 375.66 crore, the same answer by a route that cannot misplace the year. The tempting shortcut, 500 less 150 = 350, fails because the missing payments are worth less than their face.
The relationship50 / 0.10 the perpetuity's value at year 3, one year before the first payment 1.10^3 three years of discounting at 10% 124.34 the value today of the three payments years 1 to 3 that this stream does not have What it says in wordsEither discount the year 3 value three years, or take a perpetuity from year 1 and remove the three missing payments; both give about Rs 375.66 crore.Why does this matter beyond the puzzle?
It is the same step as the terminal value in a DCF. A growing perpetuity built on year 6 cash flow gives a value at year 5, so it is discounted five years, not six. Discounting one year too many cuts the value by the full discount rate, here about 9%, and in a DCF the terminal value is often most of the answer. The limit to say aloud: real concessions end. If this one ran for 30 years from year 4, it would be worth Rs 354.1 crore, so the 'forever' after year 33 adds only Rs 21.5 crore. Distant cash matters little at 10%.
Where candidates lose it
The common slip is discounting four years because the first payment arrives in year 4. The formula has already placed its value a year before the first payment, so a fourth year of discounting counts that year twice and understates the value by about 9%.
The other slip is subtracting the three missing payments at face value, 500 less 150. Payments in years 1 to 3 are worth less than Rs 150 crore today, so the shortcut takes off too much and lands at Rs 350 crore.
What the interviewer asks next
- The payments grow at 3% a year after year 4. What is the concession worth today?
- The concession ends after 30 payments. How much value is lost against the perpetuity?
- In a DCF with a five-year forecast, which year's cash flow goes into the terminal value, and how many years do you discount it?
083A phone sells for Rs 57,000 cash today, or on a 'no-cost EMI' of Rs 10,000 a month for six months, the first instalment due a month from now. What interest rate is hidden in the EMI?Bank creditCorporate FP&A
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Roughly what annual rate is hidden in the EMI?
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About 1.49% a month, or 19.4% a year effective. The real price is the Rs 57,000 cash price, so choosing the EMI means borrowing Rs 57,000 and repaying Rs 60,000 in six monthly instalments. The rate that makes six payments of Rs 10,000 worth exactly Rs 57,000 today is 1.49% a month. The forgone Rs 3,000 discount is the interest, charged on a balance that shrinks every month.
Where is the interest, if the EMI says no-cost?
A friend offers to sell you his bike for Rs 57,000 today, or for Rs 60,000 paid over six months. Nobody calls the second option interest-free; it is a loan of Rs 57,000 with Rs 3,000 of interest. A shop doing the same thing is no different. When a cash discount is available, the discount you give up by paying in instalments is the interest on the loan. The 'no-cost' label means the instalments add up to the sticker price, not that money has no time value.
So the question becomes: at what monthly rate is a stream of six Rs 10,000 payments, starting in one month, worth Rs 57,000 today? That is the internal rate of return of the loan.
The relationshipr the monthly interest rate hidden in the instalments k the month each Rs 10,000 instalment is paid What it says in wordsThe hidden rate is the one that discounts the six instalments back to the cash price.Six Rs 10,000 instalments add to Rs 60,000 at face value, but discounted at 1.49% a month they are worth exactly the Rs 57,000 cash price, so the Rs 3,000 discount given up is interest at 19.4% a year effective. How do you solve it without a spreadsheet?
Guess and check. The annuity factor must be 57,000 / 10,000 = 5.70. At 1% a month, six payments are worth 5.80 times one payment; at 2% they are worth 5.60. Halfway gives about 1.5%, and 1.5% gives 5.697, a whisker under 5.70, so the answer is just below: 1.49%. Then compound, do not multiply: 1.0149 to the power 12 is 1.194, so the effective annual rate is 19.4%, against 17.8% if you simply multiply by 12.
A second check uses the average balance. The loan starts at Rs 57,000 and is paid down to zero over six months; the balance at the start of each month averages about Rs 33,700. Rs 3,000 of interest on about Rs 33,700 over six months is 8.9%, or about 17.8% a year simple, which matches 1.49% x 12.
What changes the answer in real life?
Timing matters a great deal. If the first instalment is due today rather than in a month, you really borrow only Rs 47,000 and repay Rs 50,000 over five months, and the hidden rate jumps to 2.10% a month, about 28% a year. Any processing fee, or tax charged on the interest component, raises the true cost further, so always ask what you pay on day one. Check the specific charges and the current tax treatment with the lender. And if there was never a cash discount to forgo, the EMI really is close to free for the buyer, because the retailer, not the buyer, is paying the lender.
Where candidates lose it
The quick wrong answer is about 5%: Rs 3,000 on Rs 57,000. Some candidates double it to 10.5% for a year and feel careful. Both ignore that the loan is repaid monthly, so the average balance is only a little over half of Rs 57,000, and the rate on what is actually owed is far higher than the headline.
The second loss is multiplying the monthly rate by 12 and calling it the annual rate. 17.8% is a nominal rate; money compounding monthly at 1.49% grows 19.4% in a year. Give both and name which is which.
What the interviewer asks next
- If the first instalment is paid at purchase, what is the hidden rate? (About 2.1% a month.)
- The cash discount is only Rs 1,000. What is the hidden rate now, roughly?
- Who pays the lender when the retailer offers no cash discount at all, and why would the retailer do that?
093A perpetuity pays Rs 100 a year forever, discounted at 10%. What share of its present value comes from the first 10 years of payments? From the first 30?Equity researchCorporate finance
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Roughly what share of the value comes from the first 10 years?
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About 61% from the first 10 years and 94% from the first 30. The perpetuity is worth Rs 100 / 0.10 = Rs 1,000. Payments beyond year N are themselves a perpetuity, starting later, so their share is 1/1.1^N: 38.6% beyond year 10 and 5.7% beyond year 30. Add growth and the far years matter much more: at 5% growth only 37% of the value arrives in the first decade.
Is there a quick way to split a perpetuity by year?
Suppose you are promised a pension of Rs 100 a year forever. Starting ten years from now, what you are owed is again a Rs 100 perpetuity, worth Rs 1,000 at that date; you just have to wait ten years for it. The value of the payments after year N is the full perpetuity value, discounted back N years, so its share of the total is 1/(1 + r)^N and the first N years take the rest. At 10% that is 1/1.1^10 = 0.386 beyond year 10 and 1/1.1^30 = 0.057 beyond year 30.
The relationshipr the discount rate, 10% g the growth rate of the payment, zero here N the number of years counted What it says in wordsThe share of value received in the first N years is one minus the discount factor for N years, adjusted for growth.In rupees, the first ten years are worth Rs 614 of the Rs 1,000. Half the value arrives in the first 7.3 years, because 1.1 to the power 7.3 is 2. A useful mental marker: at 10%, value halves every seven years or so.
Discounted at 10%, a flat perpetuity delivers 61% of its value in the first 10 years and 94% in 30, but if the payment grows 5% a year only 37% arrives in the first decade, which is why a DCF's terminal value dominates. Why does this matter for a DCF?
A DCF forecasts a company for perhaps ten years and puts everything after into a terminal value. With no growth, the terminal value would already be 39% of the total. Companies are usually assumed to grow, and growth pushes value further out: at 5% growth and a 10% discount rate, the gap between them shrinks to about 4.8% a year, half the value arrives only after 14.9 years, and the terminal value is 63% of the total. Most of a DCF's value sits beyond the explicit forecast, so the terminal growth rate and discount rate deserve more scrutiny than the detail of year three.
The limitation runs the other way too. The terminal value depends on the gap between the discount rate and growth, so a small change in either swings it sharply. Present a DCF with the terminal value's share stated and a sensitivity table beside it, rather than a single number.
Where candidates lose it
The intuitive answer is tiny, because ten years is nothing against forever. It ignores discounting: a payment in year 50 is worth under one hundredth of its face value today. The first decade carries 61% of the value with no growth.
The opposite loss comes in the follow-up. Candidates who learn the 61% conclude that the terminal value is a minor detail. Add realistic growth and the far years matter far more: at 5% growth only 37% of the value sits in the first ten years.
What the interviewer asks next
- At what discount rate would the first 10 years carry 75% of a flat perpetuity's value?
- If a DCF's terminal value is 80% of the enterprise value, what does that tell you about where the risk in the valuation sits?
- How does the share change if the discount rate falls from 10% to 8% with 5% growth?
