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Case 032Client mandates and IPSCore

A 62-year-old client has just lost her husband. She has Rs 3.5 crore, no pension, and needs Rs 1.5 lakh a month. How do you approach the first 90 days, the income plan and the allocation, and how long does the money last?

VanguardScottsdale · 2025

1The situation

Sunanda Iyer, 62, lost her husband six weeks ago. He managed the family's money. She now holds Rs 3.5 crore: life insurance proceeds that have just been paid out and fixed deposits in joint names, now being transferred to her. She has no pension, owns her flat outright, and has one daughter working abroad.

Her household needs Rs 1.5 lakh a month, Rs 18 lakh a year, and she expects that to rise with prices. For the plan, assume a blended return of 7% a year and inflation of 6%, with each year's spending taken at the start of the year.

2Your task

How do you run the first 90 days, what income plan and allocation do you propose, and how long does the money last on these assumptions?

Quick check

Spending Rs 18 lakh a year rising at 6%, from Rs 3.5 crore earning 7%: roughly how long does the money last?

Worked solution

Try it on paper, then open one step at a time.

30-second answerThe answer to give first

Make no irreversible decisions for 90 days, then build three buckets; on these assumptions the money lasts about 21 years, to around age 83. The first quarter is paperwork, cash on hand and listening. The plan then puts two years of spending in liquid funds, five years in short bonds and the rest in growth assets. To last to 95 she would need to spend about Rs 1.02 lakh a month, so the gap has to be discussed, gently.

Step 1What do you do in the first 90 days?

Think of a family after a house fire. Nobody sensible rebuilds in the first week; they find somewhere safe to stay, gather the documents and wait until they can think. A recently bereaved client should make no irreversible financial decision in the first 90 days, and the adviser's job is to keep her safe and liquid while she grieves. In practice: put six months of spending, about Rs 9 lakh, in her own savings account; park the insurance money in a liquid fund in her name; list every account, deposit, policy and loan; and help with the transmission of the joint deposits and any demat holdings to her name, the claim paperwork and her own will and nominations.

Listen more than you speak. She may be making money decisions for the first time, and her daughter abroad may have views. Ask what she wants her life to look like, whether she will stay in the flat, and what she worries about most. Decline to sell anything in this period, including insurance or long lock-in products; a client who later feels she was sold to at her worst moment will not stay, and should not.

Step 2How long does Rs 3.5 crore last at Rs 1.5 lakh a month?

The withdrawal is 5.1% of the corpus in the first year, which sounds modest against a 7% return. But her spending rises 6% a year, so what matters is the return above inflation, about 1%. On these assumptions the money covers 21 full years of spending and runs out during year 22, around age 83. A woman of 62 can reasonably plan for her 90s. To last 33 years, to 95, the same assumptions support about Rs 12.3 lakh a year, Rs 1.02 lakh a month; even at an 8% return the money lasts about 24 years at her current spending.

The relationship
W1=350∑t=032(1.061.07)t=12.3 lakh a yearW_1 = \frac{350}{\sum_{t=0}^{32} \left(\frac{1.06}{1.07}\right)^{t}} = 12.3 \text{ lakh a year}
350the corpus, Rs lakh
1.06, 1.07spending growth and portfolio return
t = 0 to 3233 years of spending, taken at the start of each year
What it says in wordsThe spending that lasts exactly 33 years is the corpus divided by the sum of each year's growth-adjusted discount factor, about Rs 12.3 lakh in the first year.
Step 3What allocation carries the plan?

Use buckets, because they match how a grieving client thinks: money for now, money for soon, money for later. Two years of spending, Rs 37.1 lakh, in liquid funds; years three to seven, Rs 114.0 lakh, in short-term bonds and deposits; and the remaining Rs 198.9 lakh in growth assets, mainly a diversified equity and hybrid mix. The buckets buy time twice over: time for her to grieve without watching markets, and time for the growth bucket to recover from a bad year before anything has to be sold from it. Government savings schemes aimed at senior citizens may suit part of bucket two; confirm the current limits, rates and tax treatment.

Three buckets: spending money, the next five years, and the long runBucket 1: nowLiquid funds, savingsYears 1 and 2Rs 37.1 lakh11% of Rs 3.5 croreBucket 2: soonShort bonds, depositsYears 3 to 7Rs 114.0 lakh33% of Rs 3.5 croreBucket 3: laterGrowth assetsYear 8 onwardsRs 198.9 lakh57% of Rs 3.5 croreRs 1.5 lakh a month to Sunandarising with prices, 6% a yearrefill after good yearsBad year inmarkets: stoprefilling andspend frombucket 2
Sunanda's Rs 3.5 crore splits into Rs 37.1 lakh for the next two years of spending, Rs 114.0 lakh for years three to seven and Rs 198.9 lakh in growth assets, with growth refilling the nearer buckets only after good years.
Step 4How do you close the gap between Rs 1.5 lakh and what the money supports?

Put the options to her plainly, not all at once. Spending of about Rs 1.02 lakh a month lasts to 95; Rs 1.5 lakh lasts to about 83. The gap can be closed by spending less, by turning part of the corpus into a lifetime income through an annuity so that she cannot outlive it, or by accepting more growth assets and the swings that come with them. Annuity rates and their tax treatment change, so confirm current quotes before sizing one. Review the plan every year; the numbers here are assumptions, and a good year or a smaller budget changes them quickly.

Where candidates lose it

The usual loss is leading with the portfolio. A candidate who opens with asset allocation for a client six weeks into bereavement has told the interviewer they would sell before they listen. The first answer is about time, safety and paperwork.

The second is calling a 5% withdrawal safe because it is below a 7% return. With 6% inflation the real return is about 1%, and the money runs out in the early 80s.

What the interviewer asks next

  • Sunanda's daughter wants her to move abroad in two years. What changes in the plan?
  • How would you explain sequence risk to Sunanda without using the term?
  • What would you put in writing to her after the first meeting, and why?

Asked at Vanguard, Wealth Management, Scottsdale, 2025 (Wall Street Oasis): How would you approach a client whose spouse has just passed away?

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Company names and figures are illustrative.

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