Case 051Market view and security pitchHard
A client asks your view on two stocks he holds: Rudravarna Steel at 7 times earnings earned at a peak margin, and Kalpavadi Software at 35 times earnings growing 18% a year. Which would you trim, and why?
1The situation
Your client, a retired engineer with a Rs 3 crore portfolio, holds Rs 45 lakh of Rudravarna Steel and Rs 35 lakh of Kalpavadi Software. Rudravarna trades at Rs 357. Revenue is Rs 400 a share, and this year its EBITDA margin is 25%, the highest in a decade; its ten-year average is 15% and the range runs from 8% to 26%. Depreciation is Rs 20 a share, interest Rs 12, tax 25%. That gives earnings of Rs 51 a share, so it screens at 7.0 times earnings.
Kalpavadi trades at Rs 1,400 on earnings of Rs 40 a share, 35 times, with a margin that has sat near 24% for eight years and earnings growing about 18% a year. The client says steel is cheap and software is expensive, and asks which one you would cut.
2Your task
Which position would you trim first, and what numbers support that view?
Quick check
Before any maths: what is Rudravarna's P/E on its ten-year average margin?
Worked solution
Try it on paper, then open one step at a time.
30-second answerThe answer to give first
Trim Rudravarna Steel first. Its 7x is measured on a peak margin; at its ten-year average margin earnings fall 59% to Rs 21 and the true multiple is 17.0x. If the cycle turns the stock can lose about 41%. Kalpavadi's 35x is demanding but rests on a stable margin; if growth slows the damage is nearer 20%. Keep Kalpavadi, sized so a derating is survivable.
Step 1Why is a low P/E on peak earnings not cheap?
Think of a mango seller who made a fortune in a season when the crop failed everywhere else. Valuing his stall on that one season's profit makes it look like a bargain; the next normal season tells you what it really earns. Steel is the same. For a cyclicalA business whose profits rise and fall with the economic or commodity cycle rather than growing steadily. business, a low multiple on peak earnings is usually the market pricing the fall that has not happened yet. Rebuild Rudravarna's earnings at its ten-year average margin of 15%: EBITDA of Rs 60 a share, less Rs 20 of depreciation and Rs 12 of interest, leaves Rs 28 before tax and Rs 21 after.
Notice the size of the drop. The margin falls by 40%, from 25% to 15%, but earnings fall 58.8%, from Rs 51 to Rs 21. Fixed costs, here depreciation and interest, do not fall with the margin, so earnings swing harder than revenue or margin. That operating leverageThe way fixed costs make profit move by a larger percentage than sales or margin. is why the headline 7x hides a normal-earnings multiple of 17.0x.
Step 2Is 35 times earnings too much for Kalpavadi?
A high multiple is a bet on future earnings, so test the growth rather than the multiple. At 18% a year Kalpavadi's earnings reach Rs 65.7 in three years, and Rs 1,400 is 21.3x that. The question for a growth stock is how far it falls if growth disappoints, and the stable 24% margin means the earnings base is real, not borrowed from a cycle. The honest limit: if growth slows to 12% and the market re-rates it to 25x, next year's earnings of Rs 44.8 are worth Rs 1,120, a fall of 20%. That is a real loss, but not a collapse.
| Rudravarna, per share, Rs | Trough, 8% | Average, 15% | Today, 25% |
|---|---|---|---|
| Revenue | 400 | 400 | 400 |
| EBITDA | 32 | 60 | 100 |
| Depreciation and interest | (32) | (32) | (32) |
| Tax at 25% | 0 | (7) | (17) |
| Earnings per share | 0 | 21 | 51 |
| P/E at Rs 357 | no earnings | 17.0x | 7.0x |
Step 3What does each stock lose if its story breaks?
Put the two downside cases side by side, because the client's real question is which position can hurt him more. If the steel cycle turns and the market pays a normal 10x on normal earnings, Rudravarna falls to Rs 210, a loss of 41.2%, twice Kalpavadi's downside. On Rs 45 lakh that is about Rs 18.5 lakh. Kalpavadi's slower-growth case costs 20% of Rs 35 lakh, Rs 7.0 lakh. The upside is lopsided the other way: steel at best holds its price for another good year, while Kalpavadi delivering its growth at an unchanged multiple rises 18%.
Close the pitch the way a client can use it. The view is to trim Rudravarna first, perhaps by half, and keep Kalpavadi at a size where a 20% derating is a nuisance rather than a problem. Say the limit out loud: nobody knows when the steel cycle turns, and if margins stay high for two more years the trim will look early. That is a price the client pays for not owning a peak-earnings stock at full size.
Where candidates lose it
The usual loss is agreeing with the client: 7x is cheap, 35x is expensive, trim the software. That reads the multiple without asking which year's earnings sit under it, and it is the exact error the interviewer planted by telling you the margin is a ten-year high.
The second is dismissing Kalpavadi's multiple without testing it. Candidates who say 35x is too high but never compute what happens if growth slows sound opinionated rather than analytical. Give both downside numbers.
What the interviewer asks next
- Rudravarna's margin is at its ten-year low instead. Does your view flip?
- How would you size Kalpavadi inside a Rs 3 crore portfolio?
- What single number would you ask the steel company's management for?
- How does the client's tax cost on each position change the order of trimming?
Asked at Northern Trust, Private Wealth Management, Chicago, 2022 (Wall Street Oasis): no technicals but was asked about my view on some stocks and I gave a brief pitch
Company names and figures are illustrative.
