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Case 065Earnings, models and KPIsCore

Your long thesis on Ruvello Textiles is that its EBITDA margin rises from 9% to 13% as cotton prices fall 15%. Cotton is 45% of revenue. What if cotton does not fall? Rebuild the margin with cotton flat and up 5%, and say what else must carry the thesis.

Apollo Global ManagementRemote · 2021

1The situation

You pitched Ruvello Textiles, a yarn and fabric maker, as a long. Per Rs 100 of revenue today, cotton costs Rs 45, all other costs Rs 46, and EBITDA is Rs 9, a 9% margin. Your thesis: cotton falls 15% over the next year and the margin reaches 13%.

From past cycles, Ruvello passes about 60% of any change in cotton costs on to customers through its selling prices, up or down. Your model also assumes a small gain in price and product mix, about 0.9% of revenue, from new higher-value fabrics. The PM leans back and asks: what if cotton does not fall?

2Your task

Rebuild the margin with cotton flat and with cotton up 5%, show how much of the thesis depended on cotton, and say what would have to carry the thesis instead.

Quick check

With cotton flat and everything else as in your model, roughly where does the margin land?

Worked solution

Try it on paper, then open one step at a time.

30-second answerThe answer to give first

With cotton flat the margin reaches only about 9.8%, and with cotton up 5% it falls to about 8.8%. Cotton was carrying 3.2 of the planned 4 points. Without it, reaching 13% needs selling prices or mix up about 4.6% with costs flat, or other costs cut from Rs 46 to about Rs 42 per Rs 100 of sales, neither of which the pitch argued. The thesis is a cotton call.

Step 1How much of the thesis was cotton?

Bridge the margin one driver at a time. Cotton at 45% of revenue falling 15% saves Rs 6.75 per Rs 100 of sales, but Ruvello hands 60% of that back to customers in lower prices, so revenue falls to Rs 95.95 while costs fall by Rs 6.75. That alone lifts the margin to 12.2%, 3.2 of the planned 4 points; the price and mix gain adds the last 0.8. The honest summary of the pitch is that it is a view on cotton wearing a company's clothes.

Where the four points of margin were meant to come from9.0%Today+3.2Cotton -15%+0.8Price and mix13.0%ThesisEBITDA margin, % of revenue
Of the four points of margin in the Ruvello thesis, 3.2 come from cotton falling 15% and only 0.8 from price and mix, so the thesis depends almost entirely on the cotton call.
Step 2What happens if cotton stays flat or rises?

Rebuild each case with the same pass-through. With cotton flat, only the 0.9% price and mix gain is left and the margin reaches 9.8%. With cotton up 5%, costs rise Rs 2.25, customers absorb 60% of it, and the margin falls to 8.8%, below today. Think of a tea seller whose plan to widen margins rests on milk getting cheaper: if milk stays put, the plan is back to selling more tea, and if milk rises, the margin shrinks. A 13% case turning into an 8.9% case on a 20-point swing in one input is the sensitivity the PM was probing.

EBITDA margin if cotton falls, stays flat or risesToday9.0%Cotton -15% (thesis)13.0%Cotton flat9.8%Cotton +5%8.8%13% target9%
Ruvello's EBITDA margin reaches the 13% target only if cotton falls 15%; with cotton flat it is 9.8% and with cotton up 5% it drops to 8.8%, below today's 9%.
Per Rs 100 of today's revenueTodayCotton -15%Cotton flatCotton +5%
Revenue100.096.8100.9102.3
Cotton(45.0)(38.2)(45.0)(47.2)
Other costs(46.0)(46.0)(46.0)(46.0)
EBITDA margin9.0%13.0%9.8%8.8%
With 60% of cotton moves passed on and a 0.9% price and mix gain in every case, Ruvello's margin is 13.0% if cotton falls 15%, 9.8% if it is flat and 8.8% if it rises 5%.
Step 3What else would have to carry the thesis?

Solve for the levers the pitch did not argue. With cotton and other costs flat, 13% needs selling prices or mix up about 4.6%; with prices flat, it needs other costs cut from Rs 46 to about Rs 42 per Rs 100 of sales, a 9% cut. Either could happen: a shift to technical fabrics, a plant closure, better utilisation. But each needs its own evidence, and none was in the pitch. The strong answer to the PM says so directly: the thesis as pitched is a cotton call; here is what a company-specific version would need; and here is how I would hedge the cotton risk if I kept the position.

That last point is worth a sentence. If the fund likes Ruvello's execution but has no view on cotton, it can size the position smaller, pair it with a short in a textile peer that has the same cotton exposure and weaker execution, or ask whether cotton futures or a proxy can offset part of the input risk. Each turns a commodity bet back into a stock view.

Where candidates lose it

The usual loss is defending the thesis instead of rebuilding it. The PM asked a what-if; answering that cotton will fall because of a good crop repeats the thesis rather than stress-testing it.

The second is forgetting pass-through. Treating the full 6.75-point saving as margin makes cotton look even more dominant and the thesis even more fragile than it is; ignoring pass-through on the way up makes the downside look worse.

What the interviewer asks next

  • What if Ruvello passed on only 30% of cotton moves? Redo the three cases.
  • How would you hedge the cotton exposure while keeping the stock view?
  • Which data would tell you early whether cotton is falling as you expected?

Asked at Apollo Global Management, Investments, Remote, 2021 (Wall Street Oasis): Are you sure your thesis can be backed up? What if their costs don't fall?

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Company names and figures are illustrative.

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