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  1. 068Option A turns Rs 1 lakh into Rs 3 lakh in 12 years. Option B turns Rs 1 lakh into Rs 1.5 lakh in 4 years. Which has the higher IRR, which has the higher NPV at a 6% discount rate, and why do the two measures disagree?Performance measurement and returnsHardPIMCOMunich · 2024

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    B has the higher IRR, 10.7% against 9.6%, but A has the higher NPV at 6%, Rs 0.49 lakh against Rs 0.19 lakh. IRR measures speed of growth; NPV measures rupees of value at your cost of money. B grows faster but stops after four years, while A keeps compounding above 6% for twelve. The two rankings swap at 9.05%: below that A wins on NPV, above it B does.

    What does each measure reward?

    Compare a short, well-paid contract with a long, steady job. The contract pays more per month, but it ends quickly and you must find something else. IRR ranks by speed: the rate at which the money grows. NPV ranks by size: how many rupees of value the option creates once everything is discounted at your own cost of money. A's IRR is 3 to the power 1/12, less one, 9.59%. B's is 1.5 to the power 1/4, less one, 10.67%. B is faster.

    At a 6% discount rate, A's Rs 3 lakh in year 12 is worth 3 / 1.06 to the 12th, Rs 1.49 lakh today, an NPV of Rs 0.49 lakh. B's Rs 1.5 lakh in year 4 is worth Rs 1.19 lakh, an NPV of Rs 0.19 lakh. A creates more than twice the value, because it earns well above 6% for three times as long.

    NPV against discount rate: the two options swap places-0.50.51.01.52.000%2%4%6%8%10%12%14%discount rateNPV, Rs lakhA: triples in 12 yearsB: 1.5x in 4 yearsA at 6%: Rs 0.49 lakhB at 6%: Rs 0.19 lakhcross at 9.05%IRR A 9.6%IRR B 10.7%
    Option A's NPV starts higher and falls faster as the discount rate rises, crossing B's at 9.05%, so A creates more value at a 6% cost of money while B has the higher IRR, 10.7% against 9.6%.

    Where do the rankings swap, and what does that rate mean?

    The NPV curves cross where both options are worth the same: 3 / (1 + r) to the 12th = 1.5 / (1 + r) to the 4th, so (1 + r) to the 8th = 2 and r = 9.05%. That crossover has a plain meaning: B returns Rs 1.5 lakh in year 4, and to match A it would need to double over the next eight years, which takes 9.05% a year. If you can reinvest B's proceeds above that, B is better; below it, A is. IRR silently assumes you can reinvest at B's own 10.7%, which is why it favours the short option.

    The relationship
    3(1+r)12=1.5(1+r)4  ⇒  (1+r)8=2  ⇒  r≈9.05%\frac{3}{(1+r)^{12}} = \frac{1.5}{(1+r)^4} \;\Rightarrow\; (1+r)^8 = 2 \;\Rightarrow\; r \approx 9.05\%
    3option A's payout in year 12, Rs lakh
    1.5option B's payout in year 4, Rs lakh
    rthe discount rate at which the two options are worth the same
    What it says in wordsThe crossover rate is the return B's proceeds must earn afterwards to catch up with A.

    For a fund desk this is the reinvestment question in plain clothes. A client choosing between a short product with a high stated yield and a long one with a lower yield is really asking what the short money will earn when it comes back. The limit: NPV needs a discount rate, and a different rate can flip the answer; at 10%, A's NPV turns negative, about Rs 4,411 below zero, while B's stays positive at about Rs 2,452, so B wins.

    Where candidates lose it

    The trap is answering that the higher IRR must also have the higher NPV. That holds only when the options have the same size and the same timing; here the timing differs by eight years.

    The second miss is picking a winner without naming the discount rate. Say that the answer depends on the cost of money, find the crossover rate, and explain it as the reinvestment rate B must beat.

    What the interviewer asks next

    • B can be repeated three times in a row at the same terms. Does that change the comparison?
    • Why do private funds report IRR rather than NPV to their investors?
    • At what discount rate does option A's NPV become zero?

    Asked at PIMCO, Real Estate, Munich, 2024 (Wall Street Oasis): just asked a bunch of questions on recent real estate news, as well as a couple of technicals including IRR, NPV

  2. 071A stock trades at 20 times earnings and pays out 40% of its profit as dividends. What is its dividend yield?Valuation riddlesWarm upHoulihan LokeyChicago · 2026

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    What is the dividend yield?

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    2%. Flip the P/E to get the earnings yield: a P/E of 20 means the company earns 1/20, or 5%, of its share price each year. It pays out 40% of those earnings, so the dividend is 40% of 5%, which is 2% of the price. A Rs 400 share earning Rs 20 pays Rs 8, and 8 / 400 is 2%.

    How do you get from a P/E to a yield?

    If a flat costs Rs 20 lakh and earns Rs 1 lakh a year in rent, it costs 20 years of rent, and the rent is 5% of the price. The same flip works for shares. A P/E of 20 means the share costs 20 years of earnings, so the earnings yieldEarnings per share divided by the share price: the P/E turned upside down. A P/E of 20 is an earnings yield of 5%. is 1/20 = 5%. Only part of those earnings reach the shareholder as cash. With a payout ratioThe share of profit a company pays out as dividends. The rest is retained and reinvested in the business. of 40%, the dividend is 0.4 x 5% = 2% of the price, and the other 3% stays in the company.

    Dividend yield = payout ratio x earnings yieldEarnings yield = 1 / P/E = 1 / 20Paid out: 2%Kept: 3%= 5%40% of earnings60% of earnings0%1%2%3%4%5%One share, in rupeesPriceRs 400EarningsRs 20Dividend (40%)Rs 8Dividend yield8 / 400 = 2%P/E = 400 / 20 = 20; the kept Rs 12 is the 3% the company reinvests
    A P/E of 20 is an earnings yield of 5%, and paying out 40% of it gives a dividend yield of 2% with 3% retained, as a Rs 400 share earning Rs 20 and paying Rs 8 shows.
    The relationship
    DP=DE×EP=0.40×120=2%\frac{D}{P} = \frac{D}{E} \times \frac{E}{P} = 0.40 \times \frac{1}{20} = 2\%
    D / Pdividend yield, dividend per share over price
    D / Epayout ratio, dividend per share over earnings per share
    E / Pearnings yield, the inverse of the P/E
    What it says in wordsDividend yield is the payout ratio times the earnings yield, because the earnings cancel out.

    What does the other 3% do, and where does this identity help?

    The retained 3% is not lost; it is reinvested. If the company earns 15% on what it reinvests, keeping 60% of profit lets it grow earnings by about 0.6 x 15% = 9% a year, and the dividend yield plus that growth, 11%, is a rough estimate of the shareholder's long-run return. That is the logic of a dividend discount model in one line. The identity also works backwards in an interview: a stock yielding 2% with a 40% payout must be on a P/E of 20.

    The limits: the P/E uses one year's earnings, which may be unusually high or low, and the payout ratio can change from year to year. Buybacks return cash too, so a company paying low dividends but buying back shares can return more than its dividend yield suggests. And the growth estimate assumes the company keeps earning 15% on new money, which gets harder as it grows.

    Where candidates lose it

    The trap is dividing the wrong things: 40% by 20 gives 2 by luck, but candidates who do it cannot explain why and fall over on the follow-up. Others turn 20 into 20% or forget to flip the P/E at all.

    Say the identity out loud before the number: dividend yield equals payout ratio times earnings yield. Then the arithmetic is one line and every variation of the question is the same line.

    What the interviewer asks next

    • A stock yields 3% and pays out 60% of earnings. What is its P/E?
    • The company raises its payout to 80% with no change in price. What happens to the yield and to future growth?
    • Why might a fund manager prefer a 1% yielder that buys back shares to a 3% yielder that does not?

    Asked at Houlihan Lokey, Private Funds Advisory, Chicago, 2026 (Wall Street Oasis): Mostly technical, with standard accounting and valuation ratio questions.

  3. 072A toll-road InvIT unit pays Rs 12 in a good year (40% chance), Rs 8 in a normal year (45%) and Rs 2 in a bad year (15%). What is the expected payout, and what is the unit worth at a 10% required return if this pattern continues forever?Probability and expected valueCoreNUNuveenChicago · 2023

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    The expected payout is Rs 8.70 and the unit is worth about Rs 87. Weight each year by its chance: 0.40 x 12 = 4.80, 0.45 x 8 = 3.60, 0.15 x 2 = 0.30, which sum to Rs 8.70. A payment expected every year forever is worth that payment divided by the required return, so 8.70 / 0.10 = Rs 87. Valuing the likeliest year alone would give Rs 80.

    How do you value income that changes every year?

    A farmer whose crop is good four years in ten, ordinary in about half, and poor in the rest does not plan around a normal year. He plans around what the land produces on average over many years. When income is uncertain, you value the expected valueThe probability-weighted average of all possible outcomes: each outcome times its chance, added up. of the income, not the likeliest outcome and not the plain average of the outcomes. For this unit: 0.40 x Rs 12 = 4.80, 0.45 x Rs 8 = 3.60, 0.15 x Rs 2 = 0.30, a total of Rs 8.70 a year.

    Weight every outcome, then capitalise the averageGood yearRs 12 x 40%Rs 12= 4.80Normal yearRs 8 x 45%Rs 8= 3.60Bad yearRs 2 x 15%Rs 2= 0.30ExpectedRs 8.70Bars to scale: 14 px per rupeePerpetuity at 10%8.70 / 0.10Rs 87Using only the likeliest year8 / 0.10 = Rs 80Rs 7 too low: ignores the good years
    Weighting Rs 12, Rs 8 and Rs 2 by their chances gives an expected payout of Rs 8.70, which at a 10% required return forever values the unit at Rs 87, while valuing only the likeliest year would give Rs 80.
    The relationship
    V=E[D]r=0.40(12)+0.45(8)+0.15(2)0.10=8.700.10=87V = \frac{E[D]}{r} = \frac{0.40(12) + 0.45(8) + 0.15(2)}{0.10} = \frac{8.70}{0.10} = 87
    E[D]the expected yearly distribution
    rthe required return, 10%
    Vthe value of the unit, assuming the pattern repeats forever with no growth
    What it says in wordsAverage the payouts by their chances, then treat the average as a level payment forever.

    Where do the two common wrong answers come from?

    The likeliest year pays Rs 8, so some candidates value the unit at Rs 80. That throws away the 40% chance of Rs 12, which is worth Rs 7 of value here. Others average 12, 8 and 2 to get Rs 7.33, as if each year were equally likely, which gives Rs 73 and punishes the unit for a bad year that happens only 15% of the time. The weighting is the whole answer.

    Now the honest limits, because the follow-up is usually how you would assess such an asset in practice. The expected value hides the spread: the payout's standard deviation here is about Rs 3.36, large against Rs 8.70, and an investor needing steady income cares about that. Uncertainty usually shows up in a higher required return, not in a lower expected payout, so the 10% must be chosen with the spread in mind. A toll road's traffic also trends and its concession ends, so the forever assumption is a simplification to state openly.

    Where candidates lose it

    The trap is valuing the most likely year, Rs 8, which gives Rs 80. It feels prudent but ignores that good years happen 40% of the time.

    The second miss is double counting risk: weighting the payouts down for the bad year and then also using a high required return for the same risk. Say that probabilities go in the cash flow and the price of uncertainty goes in the rate, once each.

    What the interviewer asks next

    • The bad-year chance rises to 30%, taken from the good years. What is the unit worth now?
    • Why might two investors pay different prices for this unit with the same expected payout?
    • The concession ends after 20 years with nothing left. Roughly what is the unit worth then?

    Asked at Nuveen, Multifamily, Chicago, 2023 (Wall Street Oasis): Walk me through how you would assess the value of a property if the income stream is unpredictable?

  4. 075A bond with a 7% annual coupon trades at 104. Is its yield to maturity above or below 7%, and what is its current yield?Bond maths and durationWarm upVanguardMalvern · 2023

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    The yield to maturity is below 7%, and the current yield is 6.73%. Current yield is the coupon over the price: 7 / 104 = 6.73%. The yield to maturity is lower still, because you pay 104 and get back only 100, so the Rs 4 premium is a loss spread over the bond's life. For an assumed five years left, the yield to maturity is about 6.05%.

    Why must the yield be below the coupon when the price is above 100?

    Pay Rs 104 for a gift voucher worth Rs 100 that also pays Rs 7 of cashback a year. The cashback is generous, but you have overpaid for the voucher by Rs 4. A bond priced above par returns less than its coupon, because the buyer pays more than the Rs 100 that comes back at maturity, and that premium is lost along the way. The coupon of 7% is set on the face value of 100 and never changes. The current yieldThe yearly coupon divided by the bond price today. It ignores any gain or loss as the price moves to face value at maturity. divides the same Rs 7 by what you actually pay: 7 / 104 = 6.73%.

    Above par, the yields sit below the coupon0%1%2%3%4%5%6%7%7.00%Coupon rate7 / 100 face6.73%Current yield7 / 104 price6.05%Yield to maturityadds the Rs 4 lossPrice pulls to parpar 100104 todayyr 0yr 1yr 2yr 3yr 4yr 5Rs 4 premium lost by maturity
    A 7% coupon bond bought at 104 has a current yield of 6.73% and, with five years left, a yield to maturity of 6.05%, because its price pulls down to 100 by maturity and the Rs 4 premium is lost.

    How far below 7% is the yield to maturity?

    That depends on how long the bond has to run, which the question does not say, so name an assumption. With five years left, the Rs 4 premium is lost at roughly Rs 0.80 a year. A quick estimate takes the coupon less that yearly loss, Rs 6.20, over the average of the purchase and redemption prices, 102: about 6.08%. The exact yield to maturityThe single discount rate that makes all remaining coupons and the final repayment worth exactly the price paid today. is 6.05%. The longer the bond, the thinner the yearly slice of the premium and the closer the yield to maturity sits to the current yield.

    The relationship
    104=∑t=157(1+y)t+100(1+y)5  ⇒  y≈6.05%104 = \sum_{t=1}^{5} \frac{7}{(1+y)^t} + \frac{100}{(1+y)^5} \;\Rightarrow\; y \approx 6.05\%
    104the price paid
    7the yearly coupon per 100 of face
    100the repayment at maturity
    ythe yield to maturity
    What it says in wordsThe yield to maturity counts the coupons and the loss of the premium, so it ends below both the coupon and the current yield.

    For a debt fund this ordering is everyday arithmetic: when rates fall, older high-coupon bonds trade above par, and the fund's quoted portfolio yield sits below the coupons it receives. The limit of yield to maturity: it assumes the bond is held to maturity, never defaults and that coupons are reinvested at the same yield, none of which is guaranteed. A bond callable before maturity at par makes the premium an even bigger risk.

    Where candidates lose it

    The trap is quoting 7% as the yield because that is the coupon. The coupon is fixed on the face value; the yield depends on the price you pay, and above par it is lower.

    The second miss is stopping at the current yield. Name the order, coupon above current yield above yield to maturity, and give the reason for the last step: the premium is lost by maturity.

    What the interviewer asks next

    • The same bond trades at 96. Put the coupon, current yield and yield to maturity in order.
    • With 20 years left instead of 5, is the yield to maturity closer to or further from the current yield?
    • Why do debt funds holding many premium bonds report a portfolio yield below their average coupon?

    Asked at Vanguard, Investments, Malvern, 2023 (Wall Street Oasis): Questions asked ranged from resume stuff, global macro/current news stuff, and simple bond math since I expressed interest in FICC.

  5. 077Estimate how many new narrow-body passenger jets the world's airlines take delivery of in a year. Build it from the size of the fleet, how long a jet stays in service, and how fast air traffic grows.Estimation and market sizingCoreRothschild & CoParis · 2026

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    Which two flows make up a year's deliveries?

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    About 1,600 a year, on stated assumptions. Take a global narrow-body fleet of about 20,000 jets. If a jet flies for about 25 years, 800 retire each year and need replacing. If traffic grows about 4% a year and the fleet grows with it, another 800 are needed. Replacement plus growth gives roughly 1,600, with a sensible range of about 1,300 to 2,000.

    Why split deliveries into replacement and growth?

    Think about how many pairs of school shoes a town buys in a year. You do not count shoe shops; you count children. Shoes wear out after about a year, and each year the town has a few more children. Annual sales of anything durable are the flow that keeps a stock alive: what wears out plus what the stock grows by, and both are proportions of the stock. So the whole estimate hangs on one number, the fleet, and two rates you can reason about aloud: how long a jet lasts and how fast flying grows.

    Deliveries are replacement plus growth, and both come from the fleetFleet in service20,000 jetsassumed, checked belowReplace the jets that retire20,000 / 25 years = 800Grow with traffic20,000 x 4% = 800New jets a year1,600range 1,300 to 2,000Cross-check the fleet from passengers (every input is an assumption)Trips a year4.5 billionPer flight150 seats x 80% = 120Flights a jet a year5 a day x 365 = 1,825Jets neededabout 20,5004.5 billion / (120 x 1,825) = about 20,500: close enough to 20,000 to trust the order of magnitude
    A fleet of 20,000 jets needs 800 replacements a year at a 25-year life and 800 extra jets at 4% growth, about 1,600 deliveries in all; building the fleet from passenger trips instead gives about 20,500 jets, which supports the starting assumption.

    How do you get the fleet number if you do not know it?

    Build it from passengers, and say that every input is an assumption. Suppose narrow-body jets carry about 4.5 billion passenger trips a year. A typical jet has 150 seats and flies 80% full, so 120 passengers a flight. If it flies five short sectors a day, every day, that is 1,825 flights and about 2.19 lakh passengers a year. Divide and you get roughly 20,500 jets. Two independent routes landing near 20,000 is the check an interviewer wants to hear, even when both routes are rough.

    The relationship
    D=FL+gF=20,00025+0.04×20,000=1,600D = \frac{F}{L} + gF = \frac{20{,}000}{25} + 0.04 \times 20{,}000 = 1{,}600
    Ddeliveries a year
    Fthe fleet in service, assumed 20,000
    Lservice life in years, assumed 25
    gfleet growth a year, assumed 4%
    What it says in wordsDeliveries are the fleet divided by its life, for replacement, plus the fleet times its growth rate.

    Where is this estimate weakest?

    In three places. Service life is not fixed: when fuel is dear, airlines retire old jets early, and when new jets are scarce they keep old ones flying. Traffic growth is lumpy, and a shock year can turn it negative. And, most important for anyone valuing a maker, deliveries are capped by how many jets the factories can build, so demand can sit above actual deliveries for years, with the difference piling up as a backlog of orders. If the interviewer asks about one maker, split the 1,600 by an assumed market share and say the share is the assumption most worth checking.

    Where candidates lose it

    Candidates start from passengers, arrive at a fleet, and give the fleet as the answer. That confuses a stock with a flow: 20,000 jets in service is not 20,000 jets delivered this year. The interviewer is waiting for the step that turns a stock into an annual number, and never hears it.

    The other loss is one number with no range. Give 1,600, then say what moves it: a 20-year life and 5% growth push it to 2,000; a 30-year life and 3% growth pull it to about 1,300.

    What the interviewer asks next

    • If one maker holds about half this market, how many jets does it deliver a year, and what would you check first?
    • Fuel prices double. Which of your two flows moves, and which way?
    • How would you turn this into an annual revenue figure for the industry?

    Asked at Rothschild & Co, Asset Management, Paris, 2026 (Wall Street Oasis): Can You estimate number of flights solds by airbus

  6. 078A commercial building has gross potential rent of Rs 12 crore a year. Vacancy runs at 8%, and operating costs are 20% of the rent actually collected. Buyers of similar buildings pay a cap rate of 8%. What is the building worth?Valuation riddlesCoreInvescoNew York · 2025

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    Which income figure do you divide by the cap rate?

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    About Rs 110.4 crore. Start from Rs 12 crore of gross potential rent and take off 8% vacancy to reach Rs 11.04 crore collected. Take off operating costs of 20% of that, Rs 2.208 crore, to reach net operating income of Rs 8.832 crore. Divide by the 8% cap rate: Rs 8.832 crore over 0.08 is Rs 110.4 crore.

    Why does a cap rate turn one year's income into a price?

    Imagine a flat that brings you Rs 30,000 a month after society charges and the odd empty month, Rs 3.6 lakh a year. If similar flats sell for Rs 72 lakh, buyers are accepting a 5% yield, and you can price any flat on the street by dividing its net rent by 5%. A cap rate is that street yield for commercial property: value equals net operating income divided by the rate buyers accept. It works like a perpetuity with expected rent growth folded into the rate, which is why a lower cap rate means a higher price.

    From rent on paper to what the building earns, then to its price12.00Gross renton paper-0.96Vacancy8%11.04Collectedrent-2.208Running costs20% of collected8.832Net operatingincomeRs crore a yearValue = 8.832 / 8% cap rateRs 110.4 croreEach Rs 1 of income is worthRs 12.5 of value at 8%Same income, other cap ratesat 7.5%: Rs 117.8 croreat 8.5%: Rs 103.9 crore
    Rs 12 crore of rent on paper shrinks to Rs 11.04 crore collected after 8% vacancy and to Rs 8.832 crore of net operating income after running costs, which at an 8% cap rate is worth Rs 110.4 crore.

    Why does every cost line move the value so much?

    Because each rupee of net income is multiplied by one over the cap rate, 12.5 times at 8%. A cost saving of Rs 10 lakh a year adds Rs 1.25 crore of value, and a rise in vacancy from 8% to 12% cuts value by about Rs 4.8 crore. That is why a buyer picks apart the rent roll and the service charge budget before arguing about the cap rate at all. The cap rate moves value too: the same income is worth Rs 117.8 crore at 7.5% and Rs 103.9 crore at 8.5%.

    The relationship
    V=GPR×(1−v)×(1−c)cap=12×0.92×0.800.08=110.4V = \frac{GPR \times (1-v) \times (1-c)}{\text{cap}} = \frac{12 \times 0.92 \times 0.80}{0.08} = 110.4
    GPRgross potential rent, if every unit were let all year
    vvacancy, 8%
    coperating costs as a share of collected rent, 20%
    capthe cap rate buyers accept, 8%
    What it says in wordsValue is the rent that is actually collected, less what it costs to run the building, divided by the market's yield.

    Say the limitation before the interviewer does. A single cap rate prices a stable, well-let building. A building with a large lease expiring next year, or one mid-refurbishment, needs its cash flows laid out year by year rather than one year's income capitalised. The cap rate method is a shortcut for the ordinary case, and the valuer's job is to spot when the case is not ordinary.

    Where candidates lose it

    The common slip is dividing gross potential rent by the cap rate and quoting Rs 150 crore. Gross potential rent is a ceiling that assumes every square foot is let and nothing costs anything to run; no market cap rate was ever quoted on it.

    The second slip is taking the 20% cost ratio on gross rent instead of collected rent. That gives costs of Rs 2.4 crore and a value of Rs 108.0 crore. Read which base a percentage is quoted on before you multiply.

    What the interviewer asks next

    • The buyer funds 60% of the price with debt at 9%. Does that change the value of the building?
    • What cap rate would make the building worth Rs 120 crore?
    • Why do cap rates tend to rise when interest rates rise?

    Asked at Invesco, Real Estate, New York, 2025 (Wall Street Oasis): Walk me through how to get the exit value of a property from Gross Potential rent, using Cap rate.

  7. 086A client needs her money in exactly three years. Why does a bond fund with a duration of about three years protect her whether interest rates rise or fall? Show it with Rs 1 crore and yields jumping from 7% to 8% on the first day.Bond maths and durationHardPIMCOLondon · 2022

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    Yields jump to 8% on day one and the fund's value falls. Where does she stand at year three?

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    Because a fall in price and a rise in reinvestment income cancel at a horizon equal to the duration. If yields jump to 8%, Rs 1 crore at a three-year duration drops about Rs 2.74 lakh on day one, then compounds at 8% instead of 7%. By year three it is worth Rs 122.53 lakh against Rs 122.50 lakh had nothing moved. If yields fall to 6%, the gain today offsets the lower reinvestment rate in the same way.

    Why do rising rates both hurt and help a bond investor?

    Think of a tenant who has locked in a lease. If market rents rise, the lease itself is worth less to sell on, because a new buyer could get a better deal elsewhere, but any new space the tenant takes from now on costs more too. A bond investor faces the mirror image. When yields rise, bonds already held fall in price, but every coupon and every maturing bond is reinvested at the new, higher yield. One effect is immediate and the other builds over time. Which one wins depends only on how long you hold.

    Make it concrete with a fund that has a duration of exactly three years. Picture its Rs 100 lakh as two holdings of Rs 50 lakh each at 7%: paper that matures in one year, and paper that matures in five. The value-weighted average of one and five is three, so the fund's Macaulay durationThe average time until a bond portfolio pays back its cash, with each payment weighted by its share of present value. is 3.0 years. Left alone at 7%, both halves grow to Rs 61.25 lakh by year three, Rs 122.50 lakh in all.

    Rs 1 crore with a three-year duration: the gap to the no-change path-3-2-1+1+2+30012345Years after the rate moveRs lakh above or below Rs 100 lakh growing at 7%her date, year 3day one: -2.74 if yields go to 8%day one: +2.88 if yields go to 6%yields 8%yields 6%At year 3, yields at 8%1-year paper, rolled at 8%62.40 (+1.15)5-year paper, sold early60.12 (-1.13)Fund at year 3122.53Target, no change122.50Rs lakhAlone, each leg fails:all short, yields 6%: 119.10all long, yields 8%: 120.25
    A jump to 8% knocks Rs 2.74 lakh off the fund on day one, but reinvesting at 8% wins it back by about year 3.0, so at her three-year date she holds Rs 122.53 lakh against a plan of Rs 122.50 lakh; a fall to 6% gives the mirror image.

    What happens to each holding when yields jump to 8%?

    The one-year paper matures at Rs 53.50 lakh and is rolled for two more years at 8%, reaching Rs 62.40 lakh, Rs 1.15 lakh more than the plan. The five-year paper still has two years to run at year three and must be sold at an 8% yield, fetching Rs 60.12 lakh, Rs 1.13 lakh less than the plan. One leg carries reinvestment risk and the other carries price risk, and a duration equal to the horizon sets them against each other in equal size. Held alone, each leg would fail: all short paper with yields falling to 6% gives only Rs 119.10 lakh, and all five-year paper with yields at 8% gives only Rs 120.25 lakh.

    The relationship
    V3=P(y) (1+y)3P(8%)=53.501.08+70.131.085=97.26  ⇒  97.26×1.083=122.53V_3 = P(y)\,(1+y)^3 \qquad P(8\%) = \frac{53.50}{1.08} + \frac{70.13}{1.08^5} = 97.26 \;\Rightarrow\; 97.26 \times 1.08^3 = 122.53
    P(y)the fund's value today at yield y, Rs lakh
    53.50, 70.13the amounts the one-year and five-year paper pay at maturity
    V_3the value at year three if all cash is reinvested at y
    What it says in wordsWhatever the new yield, the fund's value at year three is today's repriced value grown at that yield, and at a horizon equal to the duration the two changes offset.

    Where does this protection stop working?

    In three places, and naming them is what the interviewer is after. Her horizon shrinks by exactly a year every year, but the fund's duration does not keep pace on its own: maturing paper has to be reinvested and coupons and rate moves shift the average, so the fund has to be rebalanced to stay matched. The offset assumes all yields move together; if short yields rise while long yields fall, the two legs no longer cancel. And the match only protects someone whose date is fixed: an open-ended fund whose manager keeps duration at three years forever is matched to nobody's date in particular. A product that runs down towards a fixed maturity close to her date does the matching more naturally. The small surplus either way, about Rs 0.02 lakh, comes from convexity and is a bonus, not the point.

    Where candidates lose it

    The common answer is that a shorter fund is safer, so she should use a liquid fund. That removes price risk but leaves her fully exposed to falling rates: if yields drop to 6% and stay there, three years of rolling short paper leaves her at Rs 119.10 lakh, about Rs 3.4 lakh short of plan.

    The other loss is saying duration is a measure of price sensitivity and stopping there. This question is about the second meaning of duration, a time horizon at which price risk and reinvestment risk balance. Say both meanings, then show the cancellation with one number.

    What the interviewer asks next

    • After one year, what has happened to the fund's duration and to her horizon, and what should change?
    • Short yields rise 1% and long yields fall 1% on the same day. Does the protection hold?
    • Why does the matched fund end slightly above plan whichever way yields move?

    Asked at PIMCO, Sales, London, 2022 (Wall Street Oasis): Typically the product interview was toughest with questions regarding applications of duration

  8. 087The street values a refining company at 6 times its current EBITDA of Rs 1,500 crore. You think mid-cycle EBITDA, at normal refining margins, is Rs 1,050 crore. What multiple of mid-cycle EBITDA is the street really paying, and what does that say about your variant view?Valuation riddlesHardFTFranklin TempletonSan Mateo · 2024

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    What multiple of mid-cycle EBITDA does the street's price imply?

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    About 8.6 times mid-cycle EBITDA, so the stock is cheap only if today's margins last. Six times Rs 1,500 crore is an enterprise value of Rs 9,000 crore. On your normal earnings of Rs 1,050 crore that is 8.6x. If 6x is a fair multiple of normal earnings, the business is worth about Rs 6,300 crore, 30% less. Your variant view is really a view on earnings, not on the multiple.

    Why can a low multiple be expensive?

    A cricketer who scores 600 runs in a dream season is not a 600-run player; his normal year is nearer 400. Pay for 600 every year and you have overpaid, however modest the fee looks against this season's scorecard. A multiple is a price divided by one year's earnings, so when that year is a cyclical peak, the multiple looks cheap precisely because the earnings are temporarily high. Refiners are a textbook case: their profit swings with the gap between crude oil costs and product prices, which moves in cycles.

    One price, two earnings figures, two very different multiplesEBITDA, Rs crore a yearCurrent EBITDAa strong year for margins1,500x 6.0 = Rs 9,000 croreMid-cycle EBITDAyour normal-margin view1,050Rs 9,000 / 1,050 = 8.6xWhat the price says if 6x is a fair multiple of normal earningsStreet enterprise valueRs 9,0006x mid-cycle EBITDARs 6,300-30%With Rs 3,000 crore of net debt, equity goes from Rs 6,000 to Rs 3,300 crore: -45%
    The street's Rs 9,000 crore is 6.0 times peak EBITDA of Rs 1,500 crore but 8.6 times mid-cycle EBITDA of Rs 1,050 crore, and at 6 times normal earnings the business would be worth Rs 6,300 crore, 30% less.

    How do you turn the gap into a variant view?

    Hold the price still and change only the earnings. The street pays Rs 9,000 crore of enterprise value. Divided by your mid-cycle Rs 1,050 crore, that is 8.6 times normal earnings, a premium multiple hiding behind a discount one. Suppose refiners have usually traded near 6 times normal earnings. Then the price you can defend is 6 x 1,050, or Rs 6,300 crore, and the street is implicitly assuming that today's Rs 1,500 crore is the new normal. Your disagreement is a 30% lower view of sustainable EBITDA.

    The relationship
    EVEBITDAmid=6×1,5001,050=9,0001,050=8.6x\frac{EV}{EBITDA_{mid}} = \frac{6 \times 1{,}500}{1{,}050} = \frac{9{,}000}{1{,}050} = 8.6\text{x}
    EVenterprise value the street's price implies, Rs crore
    1,500current EBITDA, Rs crore
    EBITDA_{mid}your estimate of EBITDA at normal margins, Rs crore
    What it says in wordsKeep the price the street pays, swap in normal earnings, and see what multiple you are really being asked to pay.

    Why does the equity fall further than the enterprise value?

    Because debt does not shrink when margins do. With an assumed Rs 3,000 crore of net debt, the street's equity value is Rs 6,000 crore; at Rs 6,300 crore of enterprise value it is Rs 3,300 crore. A 30% fall in the value of the business becomes a 45% fall for shareholders, because all of the loss lands on the equity slice. Say the weak point of your own view too: mid-cycle is an estimate of an average over a cycle whose length and depth nobody knows, and if capacity is genuinely scarce for years, today's margins may be closer to normal than you think. The defence is to show the history of margins and say what would make you wrong.

    Where candidates lose it

    Candidates argue about the multiple: refiners deserve 5x, or 7x, or the sector average. That misses the point of the question, which is that the street and you can agree on 6x and still disagree by Rs 2,700 crore, because you are applying it to different earnings.

    The second loss is calling the stock cheap at 6x without asking which year's EBITDA sits underneath. For a cyclical business, always ask whether the denominator is a peak, a trough or a normal year before reading the multiple at all.

    What the interviewer asks next

    • At the bottom of the cycle EBITDA is Rs 600 crore and the stock trades at 15x. Is it expensive?
    • How would you estimate mid-cycle EBITDA for a refiner, and what history would you need?
    • What would make you abandon the variant view?

    Asked at Franklin Templeton, Oil & Gas, San Mateo, 2024 (Wall Street Oasis): Why did I have a variant view of the multiple I applied to a refiner company relative to street expectations.

  9. 100A central bank cuts rates by 50 basis points. For a stock valued as next year's earnings divided by (r minus g), with the required return r falling from 12% to 11.5% and growth g at 7%, what happens to the fair P/E? And why might the market fall anyway?Valuation riddlesCorePIMCOLos Angeles · 2024

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    What happens to the fair P/E if growth stays at 7%?

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    The fair P/E rises from 20x to about 22.2x, about 11%, if growth holds. P/E equals 1 over (r minus g): 1/0.05 is 20x and 1/0.045 is 22.2x. But a cut often comes because the economy is weakening. If growth expectations fall to 6.5%, the gap is back to 5 points and the P/E is unchanged; at 6%, the P/E falls to 18.2x. The market may also have priced the cut in already.

    Why does a small rate cut move the P/E so much?

    Think of a ladder leaning against a wall: move its foot a few centimetres when it is nearly upright and the top barely moves; move it when the ladder is almost flat and the top drops a long way. The P/E depends on the gap between the required return and growth, and when that gap is small, a half-point change in it moves the P/E by a large fraction. Here the gap goes from 5 points to 4.5, a tenth smaller, and the fair P/E rises by about 11%.

    The relationship
    PE=1r−g10.12−0.07=20.0x  →  10.115−0.07=22.2x\frac{P}{E} = \frac{1}{r - g} \qquad \frac{1}{0.12 - 0.07} = 20.0\text{x} \;\rightarrow\; \frac{1}{0.115 - 0.07} = 22.2\text{x}
    P/Ethe price over next year's earnings
    rthe return investors require, falling from 12% to 11.5%
    gthe long-run growth rate of earnings, 7%
    What it says in wordsThe fair multiple is one over the gap between the required return and growth, so narrowing the gap lifts the multiple.
    A rate cut raises fair value only if growth holdsGrowth holds at 7%20.0xBeforer 12%22.2xAfter the cutr 11.5%+11.1%The cut signals weaker growth20.0xBeforeg 7%20.0xAfterg 6.5%18.2xAfterg 6%-9.1%
    With growth held at 7%, the cut lifts the fair P/E from 20.0x to 22.2x, but if the cut comes with growth expectations falling to 6.5% the P/E stays at 20.0x, and at 6% it drops to 18.2x, 9% below where it began.

    So why might the market fall on a rate cut?

    Three reasons, all visible in the formula. First, growth: central banks usually cut because they see the economy slowing, and if the market lowers its growth estimate by as much as the cut lowers r, the gap and the P/E do not change at all; lower it by more and the P/E falls, to 18.2x at 6% growth. Second, expectations: if a 50 basis point cut was fully expected, it was already in the price, and only the surprise moves the market; a cut smaller than hoped can disappoint. Third, earnings themselves: E in the ratio is next year's earnings, and a weakening economy can lower that number even as the multiple rises.

    Say the simplification. Writing P/E as 1 over (r minus g) assumes all earnings are paid out and growth is steady forever; with partial payout, the numerator is the payout ratio instead of one. The direction of every effect survives, but the sizes are illustrative. The general point holds firmly: a rate cut raises fair value only if what it says about growth does not undo it.

    Where candidates lose it

    The common slip is assuming the P/E rises by about the size of the cut, half a percent. The P/E moves on the gap between r and g, and a half-point change in a five-point gap shifts the P/E by about 11%.

    The other loss is answering only the first half. The question is designed to test whether you know why markets can fall on good-sounding news: say that a cut carries information about growth, and that expected cuts are already in the price.

    What the interviewer asks next

    • What growth rate would leave the fair P/E exactly unchanged after the cut?
    • Why does the same cut matter more for a high-growth stock than for a low-growth one?
    • How might a rate cut affect a bank's earnings differently from a consumer company's?

    Asked at PIMCO, Product & Strategy, Los Angeles, 2024 (Wall Street Oasis): had only one 'technical' question about the effect of a rate cut on equity prices

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