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010A Rs 1,000 crore equity fund has a 1.5% annual expense ratio. How much is charged each day, where does the charge show up, and why does an investor never see a fee deducted from their account?Fund operationsRegistrars and transfer agents
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Where does the daily expense actually come out?
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About Rs 4.1 lakh a day, taken inside the NAV. 1.5% of Rs 1,000 crore is Rs 15 crore a year; divided by 365 it is about Rs 4.11 lakh a day. The fund books that as a liability before striking the NAV, so each unit is worth a little less, about 0.21 paise a day at an NAV of 50. The investor never sees a deduction because the cost is already in the price.
If nothing is deducted, how is the fee paid?
Think of a restaurant that folds the service charge into the menu price instead of adding it to the bill. You pay it with every dish; you just never see a line saying so. A fund's expenses are charged to the scheme itself every day, so they reduce net assets and the NAV, and the investor pays through a slightly lower price per unit rather than a visible deduction. The number of units you hold never changes because of the fee.
A 1.5% expense ratio on Rs 1,000 crore is Rs 15 crore a year, about Rs 4.1 lakh accrued each day as a scheme liability, so the NAV every investor sees is already net of that day's cost. How small is it per unit, and why does that matter?
At an NAV of 50, one day's share is 50 times 1.5% over 365, about Rs 0.0021, or 0.21 paise. Nobody notices a fifth of a paise a day, which is exactly why the expense ratio has to be read off the factsheet rather than felt in the account. Across a year it is 1.5% of the money, and it compounds as a drag like any other cost.
The relationship1,000 the scheme's net assets in Rs crore 0.015 the annual expense ratio 365 days over which the annual charge is spread What it says in wordsSpread the yearly percentage across the days and charge that slice to the scheme each day.Two practical points complete the answer. Because assets change every day, the accrual is recomputed on each day's net assets rather than fixed at Rs 4.1 lakh. And the published returns of a fund are already after this cost, so a fair comparison with an index must use the fund's NAV returns against the index's total return. Expense ratio limits are set by regulation and change; confirm the current SEBI framework before quoting one.
Where candidates lose it
The common wrong picture is that the fee is billed once a year or taken by cancelling units, as a bank might debit a charge. Candidates who say it in a fund operations interview show they have not seen how the NAV is struck.
The second slip is dividing by 250 trading days. The charge accrues on every calendar day, so divide by 365 and say why.
What the interviewer asks next
- How would the daily accrual change if the fund's assets doubled over the year?
- Why do the direct and regular plans of the same scheme have different NAVs?
- Where on a factsheet or annual report would you find the expense ratio?
024An investor puts Rs 50,000 into a fund at an NAV of Rs 25.40. A stamp duty of 0.005% is deducted from the amount first. How many units are allotted, and why is the answer not 1,968.504?Fund operationsRegistrars and transfer agents
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How many units are allotted?
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1,968.406 units. Stamp duty of 0.005% on Rs 50,000 is Rs 2.50, so Rs 49,997.50 is actually invested. Divided by the NAV of 25.40, that is 1,968.4055, rounded to 1,968.406. The figure 1,968.504 divides the full Rs 50,000 by the NAV and ignores the duty; the 0.098 extra units are worth about Rs 2.49, the duty give or take rounding.
Why does the charge come off before the units are counted?
Think of buying petrol with a Rs 500 note when the pump adds a Rs 5 card fee: you get Rs 495 worth of litres, not Rs 500 worth. A purchase is converted to units only after any charge on the transaction is deducted, so the units equal the net amount divided by the NAV, not the gross amount. Here the charge is a stamp duty of 0.005%, as stated in the question; the rate is set by law and can change, so confirm the current rate before using it.
Rs 50,000 less Rs 2.50 of stamp duty leaves Rs 49,997.50, which buys 1,968.406 units at an NAV of 25.40, while dividing the full Rs 50,000 gives 1,968.504 units and over-allots by the value of the duty. How do you do the division cleanly?
Work in two steps and check the gap. Fifty thousand over 25.40 is 1968.5039; the duty removes Rs 2.50, which at 25.40 is about 0.0984 of a unit, so the answer is 1,968.4055, shown as 1,968.406. Checking it that way tells you the difference between the two answers is exactly the duty converted into units, which is a useful sense check in any operations role.
The relationshipA the amount paid, Rs 50,000 s the stamp duty rate, 0.005% NAV the applicable NAV, Rs 25.40 What it says in wordsTake the charge off the amount, then divide what is left by the price of one unit.Two practical points complete the answer. Which NAV applies depends on when the application and the money reach the fund relative to the cut-off time, so 25.40 is the NAV for the day the purchase qualifies, not necessarily the day it was submitted. And units are shown to three decimals on the statement; the exact rounding convention is set out in the scheme's documents, which is where an operations team would check it.
Where candidates lose it
The common slip is dividing the gross Rs 50,000 by the NAV, which is precisely the wrong answer the question names. An operations interviewer asks this to see whether you know the order: charges first, units second.
The other slip is rounding the units to a whole number, or treating the stamp duty as coming out of the units afterwards. Fund units are allotted in fractions, and the duty is a deduction from the rupee amount.
What the interviewer asks next
- If the same investor redeems all the units later at an NAV of 30, what amount is paid before any exit load or tax?
- Why might two investors who submit the same amount on the same day get different NAVs?
- How would an entry load, where one is permitted, change the calculation?
038An ETF's creation unit is 50,000 units. Its indicative NAV is Rs 245.60 and it trades on the exchange at Rs 247.50. What does an authorised participant make by creating units and selling them, and what does that trade do to the premium?Passive and index teamsIndian AMCs
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What is the authorised participant's gross gain on one creation unit, before costs?
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About Rs 95,000 before costs, and the trade itself pushes the premium down. The participant buys the underlying basket at Rs 245.60 a unit, swaps it for 50,000 new ETF units, and sells them at Rs 247.50, keeping Rs 1.90 a unit. That is a 0.77% premium on Rs 1.23 crore. Selling the new units adds supply, so the price falls towards NAV until the premium no longer covers costs.
Where does the profit come from?
Picture a sweet shop that sells a box of twelve laddoos for more than the twelve laddoos cost loose. Someone will buy loose laddoos, box them, and sell the boxes until the gap closes. An ETF unit is a box of shares, and when the box trades above the value of what is in it, the participant who can make new boxes earns the gap. Only authorised participantsLarge brokers or market makers allowed by the fund house to create and redeem ETF units in bulk, by exchanging baskets of the underlying shares. can make boxes, and only in creation-unit sizes, here 50,000 units.
The relationshipP the ETF's market price, Rs 247.50 iNAV the indicative NAV, the live value of the basket per unit, Rs 245.60 N units in one creation unit, 50,000 What it says in wordsThe gross gain is the premium per unit times the number of units created.The participant buys the basket for Rs 1.228 crore, receives 50,000 new units, and sells them at Rs 247.50, keeping a gross Rs 95,000; the extra units it sells push the price back towards NAV until the premium no longer covers costs. Why does the premium shrink rather than persist?
Every round of the trade adds new units to the market, and that extra supply pushes the ETF price down towards the value of its basket. Buying the basket nudges the shares up a little too. The participant stops when the gap no longer pays for brokerage, taxes, impact and the risk of prices moving mid-trade. If those costs are 0.25% of the basket, about Rs 30,700, the net gain is about Rs 64,300, and the trade stops once the price is within about Rs 0.61 of NAV. The reverse trade works on a discount: buy units cheap, redeem them for the basket, sell the shares.
When does the mechanism fail to hold the price?
The arbitrage is only as good as the participants' ability to trade the basket. If the underlying shares are illiquid, or a market is shut while the ETF trades, or participants step back in a stressed market, premiums and discounts can stay wide for days. The iNAV is itself an estimate, refreshed every few seconds, so a small gap may be noise. The 0.25% cost is an assumption for the arithmetic; real costs depend on the basket.
Where candidates lose it
The common slip is computing the value of the units, Rs 1.24 crore, or the gap on one unit, Rs 1.90, and calling either the profit. The profit is the gap times the creation unit, and the interviewer wants to hear both numbers multiplied.
The second loss is missing the second half of the question. The trade is not only a profit, it is the mechanism that keeps an ETF's price near its NAV. Say that sentence, and say that costs set how close.
What the interviewer asks next
- The ETF trades at a 1% discount instead. Walk through the trade that closes it.
- Why do premiums on international ETFs sometimes stay wide for weeks?
- Why can an ordinary investor not run this trade on 500 units?
051A Rs 800 crore debt fund writes a Rs 40 crore bond down to zero and segregates it into a separate portfolio. An investor holds 10,000 units bought at a NAV of Rs 25. What does she hold after segregation, at what NAVs, and what does she receive if 60% of the bond is later recovered?Fund operationsFixed income desks
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Right after segregation, what does her holding look like?
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She holds 10,000 main units at Rs 23.75, worth Rs 2,37,500, plus 10,000 segregated units valued at zero. The fund has 32 crore units; Rs 760 crore of healthy bonds over those units gives Rs 23.75. If 60% of the bond comes back, Rs 24 crore is spread over 32 crore segregated units, Rs 0.75 each, so she receives Rs 7,500. Her total is Rs 2,45,000 against Rs 2,50,000 before.
Why split the fund instead of simply marking the bond to zero?
Picture a housing society that lends money to a builder who then stops paying. If the society writes the loan off and lets members leave with their share of what is left, the members who leave first give up their slice of any money later recovered, and the ones who stay collect it all. A plain write-down hands the value of a future recovery to whoever is still in the fund when the cash arrives, not to whoever owned the fund when the loss happened. A segregated portfolioA separate pool, created on a credit event, that holds only the troubled bond. Everyone who held the fund that day gets matching units in it. fixes that by giving every holder on the day a separate, frozen claim on the bad bond.
Here the fund has Rs 800 crore at a NAV of Rs 25, so it has 32 crore units. The bond of Rs 40 crore moves out; Rs 760 crore of healthy bonds stays behind. Divide by the same 32 crore units and the main NAV is Rs 23.75. Her 10,000 units there are worth Rs 2,37,500, and she also receives 10,000 segregated units, valued at nothing today.
On the credit event the fund splits: the main portfolio keeps Rs 760 crore at a NAV of Rs 23.75, the defaulted bond moves into a segregated portfolio at zero with matching units, and a 60% recovery later pays Rs 0.75 a unit, taking her total to Rs 2,45,000 against Rs 2,50,000 before. What does the recovery pay, and who would have got it without segregation?
A 60% recovery brings back Rs 24 crore. Spread across 32 crore segregated units it is Rs 0.75 a unit, so she receives Rs 7,500 whether or not she has since redeemed her main units. Without segregation, the same Rs 24 crore would land on whoever held the single fund on recovery day. Suppose half the units redeem at Rs 23.75 after the write-down: the recovery then lands on only 16 crore units, Rs 1.50 each. The holders who stayed collect Rs 15,000 per 10,000 units, double their fair share, and the holders who left get nothing.
The relationship800 fund assets before the default, Rs crore 40 the defaulted bond, Rs crore 32 units outstanding, crore, fixed on the day of segregation 0.6 the share of the bond later recovered What it says in wordsBoth portfolios divide by the same unit count, because every holder on the day gets one segregated unit per main unit.Say the limit too. Segregation does not reduce the loss; she is still Rs 5,000 down on Rs 2,50,000. It only makes sure the loss and any recovery fall on the same people. Indian rules allow it only after a defined credit event such as a rating downgrade, with conditions set in SEBI circulars that should be checked before quoting them.
Where candidates lose it
Most candidates stop at the main NAV of Rs 23.75 and forget the second set of units. The interviewer is testing whether you know the investor keeps a claim on the bad bond, which is the whole reason segregation exists.
The second loss is dividing the recovery by the wrong number. The segregated units match the units outstanding on the day of the event, 32 crore, not the units left in the main portfolio after later redemptions or new purchases.
What the interviewer asks next
- A new investor buys the main portfolio the day after segregation. Does she get any segregated units?
- Why might a fund manager prefer to hold a defaulted bond at a small positive value instead of zero?
- The recovery arrives in three instalments over two years. How is it paid out?
066A company parks Rs 10 crore of surplus cash in a liquid fund yielding 6.8% for 9 days. Roughly what does it earn, and how does that compare with an overnight fund yielding 6.4%?Fund operationsRegistrars and transfer agents
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Roughly what does the liquid fund earn in nine days?
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About Rs 1.68 lakh from the liquid fund, against about Rs 1.58 lakh from the overnight fund. Short-term fund income accrues daily, so it is amount x yield x days / 365: Rs 10 crore x 6.8% x 9 / 365 = Rs 1,67,671. At 6.4% it is Rs 1,57,808. The gap of about Rs 9,863 is what the treasurer is paid for accepting the liquid fund's small extra rate and credit risk.
How do you turn an annual yield into nine days of income?
A shopkeeper who rents a room for Rs 36,500 a year earns Rs 100 a day, and nobody would charge a guest for a nine-day stay by quoting the year. Yields are quoted per year, but liquid and overnight funds accrue income every calendar day, so the money earned is the yearly yield scaled by days over 365. Rs 10 crore at 6.8% earns Rs 18,630 a day; nine days is Rs 1,67,671. The overnight fund, at 6.4%, earns Rs 17,534 a day and Rs 1,57,808 over the same nine days.
Rs 10 crore earns Rs 1,67,671 in nine days in a liquid fund at 6.8% and Rs 1,57,808 in an overnight fund at 6.4%, a gap of Rs 9,863, because short-term income is the yearly yield scaled by days over 365. The relationship10,00,00,000 the amount parked, Rs 10 crore 0.068 the fund's yearly yield, taken here as net of expenses 9 / 365 the fraction of a year the money is invested What it says in wordsShort-term fund income is simple: amount, times yearly yield, times the share of the year.Is the extra Rs 9,863 worth taking?
An overnight fundA debt fund that lends only for one business day at a time, mostly through overnight repo-style borrowing, so it carries almost no rate or credit risk. lends for one day at a time; a liquid fundA debt fund holding money market paper and short bonds that mature within about three months, so its NAV moves only slightly with rates and credit events. holds paper running out to about three months. The 0.4% yield gap is pay for that extra term and credit exposure, and over nine days it comes to Rs 9,863 on Rs 10 crore, about 0.01% of the money. A treasurer weighs that against the small chance of a mark-down in the liquid fund during the same nine days. For a company that needs every rupee back on day nine, the overnight fund's certainty can be worth more than Rs 9,863.
Two practical limits. Liquid funds in India can charge an exit load on very short holdings, and the cut-off times for same-day NAV decide which day's NAV applies, so check the scheme's current terms before working out a short stay. And the quoted yield is the portfolio's yield; the realised return depends on what happens to that paper over the nine days, so the figures above are estimates, not quotes.
Where candidates lose it
The common slip is quoting a yearly figure, Rs 68 lakh, or dividing by twelve months and then multiplying by nine. Income on short funds accrues by the day, so the only fraction that matters is 9 / 365.
The second miss is calling the liquid fund simply better because it yields more. The interviewer wants the trade named: Rs 9,863 extra in exchange for a little rate and credit risk, which matters more to a treasurer than the extra income.
What the interviewer asks next
- The company redeems on day 5 instead of day 9. What changes besides the income?
- Why does a liquid fund's NAV still rise on weekends and holidays?
- A liquid fund holds a paper that is downgraded on day 4. What happens to the treasurer's nine-day return?
081Scheme A, with a NAV of Rs 42.00, is merged into scheme B, whose NAV is Rs 18.00. How many units of B does an investor holding 1,000 units of A receive, and has anyone gained or lost in the swap?Fund operationsRegistrars and transfer agents
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How many units of scheme B does the investor receive?
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2,333.333 units, and nobody gains or loses on the day. The holding is worth 1,000 x Rs 42, or Rs 42,000. Divided by B's NAV of Rs 18, that is 2,333.333 units, and 2,333.333 x Rs 18 is Rs 42,000 again. The swap ratio, 42 over 18, is 2.333 units of B per unit of A. A merger changes the unit count and the scheme, not the value held.
Why does a lower NAV not make scheme B cheaper?
Change a Rs 500 note into Rs 100 notes and you get five of them. You now hold more notes, but you are no richer. A NAV is the value of one unit, so the number of units you hold only means something when multiplied by the NAV; a merger at NAV swaps notes of one size for notes of another. Scheme B's Rs 18 NAV only says its units started at a lower price or have grown less since launch. It says nothing about whether B is cheap, good or bad.
The investor's 1,000 units of A become 2,333.333 units of B, but both holdings are worth Rs 42,000, because the swap ratio of 2.333 is set by the two NAVs on the merger date. The relationshipu_A, u_B units held in scheme A before and scheme B after NAV_A, NAV_B each scheme's net asset value per unit on the merger date What it says in wordsThe new unit count is the old count times the ratio of the two NAVs, which keeps the rupee value unchanged.So can a merger leave an investor worse off?
Not on the day of the swap, when both schemes are valued at their closing NAVs. What a merger can change is everything after the swap: a different portfolio, a different expense ratio, a different level of risk, and possibly a tax event. If scheme B charges more, holds riskier bonds or follows another strategy, the investor's future returns change even though the swap itself was fair. That is why investors in a scheme being merged are generally offered a window to exit without an exit load; confirm the current rules on how that window works before relying on it.
The three decimals are not decoration. Registrars in India commonly allot units to three decimal places, so the answer is 2,333.333 and not a rounded 2,333. Rounding down to whole units would take about Rs 6 from this investor, and across lakhs of folios that adds up, so fractional units exist precisely to keep the swap exact.
Where candidates lose it
The fast wrong answer is 1,000 units, as if a merger were a change of name. It would leave the investor with Rs 18,000 in place of Rs 42,000. The next wrong answer inverts the ratio and gives about 429 units. Both come from working with unit counts instead of rupees.
State the rupee value first, Rs 42,000, and divide by the new NAV. Then add the sentence that shows judgement: the swap is fair on the day, and the real question is what the investor now owns and what it costs.
What the interviewer asks next
- Scheme B's expense ratio is 0.5 points higher. Roughly what does that cost on Rs 42,000 over ten years?
- In what circumstances could the merger be a taxable event for the investor, and what would you check?
- The investor had a monthly systematic investment plan into scheme A. What should happen to it?
095An investor bought 1,000 units of a fund at Rs 20 in January and 1,000 more at Rs 30 in June. She now redeems 1,200 units at Rs 35. On a first-in-first-out basis, what is the gain on the units sold, and why does an average-cost view give the wrong figure?Registrars and transfer agentsDistribution and sales
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What is the gain on the 1,200 units under first-in-first-out?
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Rs 16,000: the redemption uses all 1,000 January units and 200 June units. The January units gain Rs 15 each, Rs 15,000; the 200 June units gain Rs 5 each, Rs 1,000. An average cost of Rs 25 gives Rs 12,000, because it spreads the cheap January units across units still held. It also loses the purchase dates, which decide each lot's holding period.
Which units does a redemption actually sell?
Think of a shop's milk shelf: staff push the oldest cartons to the front so they sell first. Under first-in-first-out, a redemption is matched against the oldest units still held, lot by lot, so each unit sold carries the price and the date of the purchase it came from. That is the convention commonly used for mutual fund units in India; confirm how it applies to the investor's own folio. Here the January lot of 1,000 goes first, and only then 200 from June.
Redeeming 1,200 units takes all 1,000 January units bought at Rs 20 and 200 June units bought at Rs 30, a gain of Rs 16,000 at Rs 35, whereas an average cost of Rs 25 would show Rs 12,000 and lose the purchase dates. The relationship1,000, 200 units taken from the January and June lots 35 the redemption price, Rs a unit 20, 30 the purchase price of each lot What it says in wordsEach lot's units are matched to their own cost, starting with the oldest, and the gains are added.Why does the average-cost figure mislead?
Because it pretends every unit cost Rs 25. The units actually sold were mostly the cheap January ones, so the true gain is higher now, Rs 16,000 against Rs 12,000. The total gain over the whole holding does not change, Rs 20,000 once all 2,000 units are sold at Rs 35; what changes is how much of it is counted now and how much later. The 800 units left have a cost of Rs 30 under first-in-first-out, Rs 24,000, not the Rs 20,000 an average-cost view would record.
The dates matter as much as the amounts. Suppose she redeems the following March and the line between short and long term is twelve months, an assumption here; confirm the current rule for the fund type. Then the January units are long term and the 200 June units short term, so the Rs 15,000 and the Rs 1,000 may be taxed differently. An average-cost view cannot even ask the question, because it has thrown away the dates. Registrars track every purchase as a separate lot for exactly this reason.
Where candidates lose it
The tidy-looking error is averaging the cost to Rs 25 and quoting Rs 12,000. It feels fair because both purchases were the same size, but it assigns June's higher cost to units that were bought in January.
The second loss is getting Rs 16,000 and ignoring the holding period. A good answer says the redemption spans two lots with two purchase dates, and that the split matters for tax.
What the interviewer asks next
- She redeems the remaining 800 units at Rs 40. What is the gain?
- How would a systematic investment plan with 36 monthly purchases complicate this?
- Why might an investor prefer to redeem from a fund where the oldest units have the smallest gain?
