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1. 074How would leverage change if the business were cyclical rather than stable?Credit and financingIntermediatetechnicalNUNuveenLeveraged Finance · Chicago · 2019

   Say this

   Materially lower, and sized against trough EBITDA rather than current EBITDA. A cyclical business at five times peak earnings can be at nine times in a downturn without anything else changing.

   Then walk it

   1. The arithmetic: if EBITDA falls 40 percent in a downturn, leverage of five times at the peak becomes over eight times at the trough purely through the denominator. Covenants set against peak earnings breach automatically.
   2. So you underwrite to the trough: what did EBITDA do in the last downturn, and can the structure service interest at that level with headroom?
   3. Practically that might mean three times for a cyclical where a stable business supports five and a half, plus a wider covenant cushion of 30 to 35 percent rather than the standard 25 to 30.
   4. You also want more liquidity: a larger undrawn revolver, more cash on the balance sheet, and lower mandatory amortisation so the fixed cash burden is smaller in a bad year.
   5. The cost structure interacts with this. A cyclical business with high fixed costs is far worse than one with variable costs, because EBITDA falls faster than revenue.
   6. And the exit risk compounds it: cyclicals trade at low multiples at the peak and you cannot sell at the trough, so the hold period is less controllable. That is a real reason sponsors underweight deep cyclicals despite the apparent value.

   Where candidates lose it

   Answering with a lower multiple but no reason. The mechanism is that leverage is a ratio and the denominator collapses, so covenants set against current EBITDA breach without any operational failure. Say that explicitly.

   Expect next

   • What covenant cushion would you want?
   • How do you find the trough EBITDA?
   • How does that change the exit plan?

   Reported by candidates at Nuveen (Leveraged Finance, Chicago, 2019). Source: Wall Street Oasis.

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