Case 017Equity research and stock pitchesHard
Defend a long on a private bank under questioning: NIM 4.1%, ROA 1.6%, gross NPA 2.1%, P/B 3.2x, but unsecured personal loans grew 48% last year to 22% of the book. What three questions will the interviewer grill you on, and what are your answers?
1The situation
You pitched Nandanvan Bank, an invented private bank, as a long. Net interest margin is 4.1%, return on assets 1.6%, gross NPAs 2.1%, and the stock trades at 3.2x book. Loans are Rs 80,000 crore and have grown about 20% a year. The interviewer has read the pitch and opens the annual report at the loan mix: unsecured personal loans grew 40% two years ago and 48% last year, and are now 22% of the book, about Rs 17,600 crore.
Assume the bank's assets are about ten times its equity, tax is 25%, and that in a bad year losses on unsecured loans run about 5 points higher than today.
2Your task
Which three questions will the interviewer use to take the pitch apart, and how do you answer each with numbers rather than adjectives?
Quick check
A loan book growing 48% a year reports a gross NPA ratio of 2.1%. What does fast growth do to that ratio?
Worked solution
Try it on paper, then open one step at a time.
30-second answerThe answer to give first
The three questions are: why the unsecured book is growing twice as fast as the bank, what the 3.2x multiple assumes about returns, and what happens to both if unsecured losses rise. Answer with the lag: the 2.1% NPA ratio is diluted by Rs 9,106 crore of young loans. The multiple needs a return on equity of about 16% to hold indefinitely, which is today's 16%. A 5 point rise in unsecured losses cuts ROA to about 0.8% and earnings by about 52%. Hold the long only if you can show the underwriting is different.
Step 1Question one: why is the unsecured book growing twice as fast as the bank?
A restaurant that doubles its covers by lowering the price of the set menu is busier, not better. A bank that grows unsecured lending at 48% while the book grows 20% is either finding customers nobody else saw, or lending to people other banks turned down, and the interviewer wants you to say which. The honest answer is that the numbers cannot yet tell you, because unsecured loans go bad with a lag of 12 to 18 months. What you can show is the size of the untested book: about Rs 9,106 crore of unsecured loans made in the last two years, 11% of all loans, on which the bank has almost no loss history of its own.
Step 2Why does the 2.1% NPA ratio not settle it?
Because growth dilutes it. Suppose 4% of the unsecured loans that are over a year old have gone bad. Those loans are last year's Rs 11,892 crore; this year's additions have barely had a first missed payment. 4% of Rs 11,892 crore spread over today's Rs 17,600 crore reports as about 2.7%, so the ratio understates the loss rate on the loans that have actually been tested. The number to ask for is the vintage loss curveLosses tracked by the year the loans were made, so each year of lending is judged on its own after the same amount of time, instead of being averaged with newer loans.: how each year's loans performed at 12 and 18 months. If the newer vintages are tracking worse, the 2.1% is a photograph of the past.
Step 3Question two: what does 3.2x book actually assume?
Turn the multiple into the returns it needs. With assets ten times equity, a 1.6% return on assets is a 16% return on equity, so 3.2x book is about 20x earnings. On a simple growth model with a 12% required return and 10% long-run growth, 3.2x book needs a return on equity of about 16.4% held indefinitely, which is today's 16% with no room for a bad year. That model is crude, and say so: small changes in the growth and return assumptions swing it a lot. But its message is what the interviewer wants to hear from you: the multiple is a bet on ROE, and ROE is a bet on credit costs.
| ROE* | the return on equity the price needs, held for good |
| g | long-run growth in book value, assumed 10% |
| r | return the investor requires, assumed 12% |
| P/B | 3.2 times book, the price today |
Step 4Question three: what happens if unsecured losses rise?
Run the stress out loud. Losses on the unsecured book rise 5 points; on 22% of loans that is 1.1% of all loans in extra credit cost, about 0.83% after tax. Return on assets falls from 1.6% to about 0.78%, return on equity from 16% to about 7.8%, so earnings roughly halve, and even at the same 20 times earnings the stock is worth about 1.6x book, a fall of about 52%. The market rarely keeps paying 20 times for a bank whose growth engine just broke, so that is the kind case. The bank would still be profitable; the stock would not be. That asymmetry is the case against the long at this price, and you should put it on the table before the interviewer does.
Step 5So do you hold the long?
Only on evidence the pitch did not yet have. Hold it if the vintage data shows the new unsecured loans are to the bank's own salaried deposit customers, with early delinquencies no worse than older vintages; drop it if the growth came through third-party apps and new-to-bank borrowers. Say what the position is worth either way: at 3.2x book the stock pays nothing for a bad year, so the right size is small until the vintages have aged through one. An interviewer grilling a pitch is not looking for you to win; they are looking for you to know which of your assumptions carries the weight and what would make you change your mind.
Where candidates lose it
The common loss is defending the pitch with the headline ratios, 4.1% margin, 1.6% ROA, 2.1% NPAs, as if repeating them answered the question. The interviewer raised the unsecured growth because those ratios are the output of a book that has not yet been tested.
The second is folding at the first push and turning the long into a short. The point is to show which assumption the multiple rests on and what evidence would settle it, not to change your view because someone frowned.
What the interviewer asks next
- The bank says 70% of its unsecured borrowers are existing salary-account customers. How much does that change your stress case?
- NIM is 4.1% partly because unsecured loans yield 16%. What happens to the margin if the bank slows that book?
- How would you compare this bank with a peer at 2.0x book, 1.3% ROA and 8% unsecured?
- The RBI raises risk weights on unsecured loans. Which number in your model moves first?
Asked at Wellington Management, Portfolio Management, Boston, 2019 (Wall Street Oasis): was more of stock pitch where they grille into that
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