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061Forecaster A predicts next year's index return with a bias of plus 1 point and an error standard deviation of 3 points. Forecaster B is unbiased, with an error standard deviation of 3.5 points. Whose mean squared error is lower, and what does an equal blend of the two give if their errors are independent?Bridgewater AssociatesNew York · 2024
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Which forecaster has the lower mean squared error?
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A has the lower error, 10 against 12.25, and an equal blend cuts it to about 5.6. Mean squared error is bias squared plus variance: A is 1 plus 9, B is 0 plus 12.25. Averaging the two halves the bias to 0.5 and, because the errors are independent, quarters each variance: 0.25 plus 5.31, or 5.56. The blend beats both forecasters by a wide margin.
How can a biased forecaster beat an unbiased one?
Think of two watches. One always runs a minute fast but is otherwise steady; the other is right on average but wanders a few minutes either way. If you need to catch a train, the steady fast watch may serve you better. Mean squared error charges for two things, the average miss and the scatter around it, so a small steady bias can cost less than extra scatter. A's bias of 1 adds 1 to its error. B's standard deviation of 3.5 instead of 3 adds 3.25. On this measure, A is the better forecaster.
The relationshipbias the forecaster's average error, in points of return sigma the standard deviation of the error around that average What it says in wordsThe average squared miss is the square of the average miss plus the scatter of the misses.Why does averaging the two help so much?
Because independent errors partly cancel. When A is too high, B is as likely to be too low as too high, so the average of the two misses by less than either. An equal blend halves the bias and, with independent errors, cuts the variance to a quarter of the sum of the two variances. Here that is a quarter of 9 plus 12.25, which is 5.31, plus a bias term of 0.5 squared, 0.25. The total, 5.56, is little more than half of A's 10.
Forecaster A's error of 10 is 1 of bias squared plus 9 of variance, B's 12.25 is all variance, and an equal blend with independent errors cuts the total to 5.56 because averaging halves the bias and quarters each variance. You can do slightly better by leaning towards A. The weight on A that minimises the error is B's variance over the sum of A's mean squared error and B's variance, about 55%, which gives 5.51. The gain over a plain 50/50 is tiny, which is the practical lesson: a simple average of decent, independent forecasts captures almost all of the benefit. The limitation is the word independent. Two economists reading the same data make correlated errors, and then averaging helps far less.
Where candidates lose it
The trap is choosing B on principle because unbiased sounds better. The question asks about mean squared error, and a candidate who does not split it into bias squared plus variance cannot compare the two.
The second loss is averaging the standard deviations for the blend, 3.25, and squaring it. Variances add, not standard deviations, and the blend divides each variance by four. Say independent out loud, because that assumption is doing the work.
What the interviewer asks next
- What if the two forecasters' errors are correlated 0.8? What does the blend give then?
- What weight on A minimises the blend's error, and why is it close to one half?
- Why might a portfolio manager prefer the biased forecaster even though the blend is better?
Asked at Bridgewater Associates, Generalist, New York, 2024 (Wall Street Oasis):
Was asked math questions about forecasting
062A household keeps Rs 5 lakh in a fixed deposit at 7% while carrying Rs 3 lakh of credit card debt at 36% a year. What does keeping both cost them each year, compared with using the deposit to clear the card?Indian wealth managementWealth management
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Roughly what does keeping both cost a year?
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About Rs 87,000 a year, and more after tax on the deposit interest. The card costs 36% of Rs 3 lakh, Rs 1,08,000. Using Rs 3 lakh of the deposit to clear it gives up 7% on that money, Rs 21,000. The difference, Rs 87,000, is a certain loss every year the household keeps both, paid for the comfort of a bigger deposit balance.
Why do people keep both?
Because money gets labels. The deposit is the emergency fund or the daughter's education money, and touching it feels like failing; the card is day-to-day spending and feels temporary. A rupee is a rupee whatever label it carries, so money earning 7% while debt costs 36% is simply borrowing at 36% to lend at 7%. The habit has a name, mental accountingTreating money differently depending on which mental category it sits in, a term from the economist Richard Thaler., and it is one of the most common and costly patterns a wealth adviser meets.
Keeping both earns Rs 35,000 on the deposit and pays Rs 1,08,000 on the card, a net of minus Rs 73,000, while clearing the card leaves Rs 14,000 of interest and no card cost, so keeping both costs Rs 87,000 a year. How do you get the number right?
Compare two whole choices. Keep both: the household earns Rs 35,000 and pays Rs 1,08,000, a net of minus Rs 73,000. Clear the card: it earns 7% on the remaining Rs 2 lakh, Rs 14,000, and pays nothing. The cost of a choice is the difference between the two outcomes, not the interest bill on its own. That difference is Rs 87,000, the same as 29 points of rate gap on Rs 3 lakh.
The relationship36% the card's annual rate, an illustration; confirm the card's actual rate 7% the deposit rate 3 lakh the money that could move from deposit to card What it says in wordsThe yearly cost is the gap between the two rates applied to the amount that could be moved.Tax widens the gap. Deposit interest is taxed at the household's slab while card interest is paid from income already taxed. At an illustrative 30% slab, confirm the current rates, the cost rises to about Rs 93,300. The honest limit is liquidity: a family with no buffer at all may need some cash on hand. Here the Rs 2 lakh left in the deposit is that buffer, so the case for keeping the debt is gone.
Where candidates lose it
The trap is answering Rs 73,000, the household's net interest bill, or Rs 1,08,000, the card interest alone. Neither is the cost of the choice. The cost is what changes between keeping both and clearing the card.
The quieter miss is accepting the labels, treating the deposit as untouchable. The interviewer is watching whether you see through the label to the rate gap, and whether you can say it to a client without making them feel foolish.
What the interviewer asks next
- How much of the deposit would you keep as a buffer, and why?
- How does the answer change if the deposit has a premature withdrawal penalty of 1%?
- What other everyday decisions share this pattern of borrowing dear while lending cheap?
063You borrow yen at 0.5% for a year, convert to rupees and invest at 7%. At the end of the year you convert back and repay. How far can the rupee fall against the yen before the trade loses money?Global investingHedge funds
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What rupee fall wipes out the trade exactly?
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About 6.1%. On 100 of borrowed yen, the rupee investment grows to 107 and the loan grows to 100.5. The trade breaks even if 107 rupee-units convert back to exactly 100.5 yen-units, which means a fall of 1 minus 100.5 over 107, or 6.07%. It is a little less than the 6.5-point rate gap because the fall also eats into the interest earned.
What is the trade actually betting on?
Picture borrowing from a relative who charges almost nothing and lending the money to a friend who pays well, except the friend repays in a different currency. You pocket the gap in rates as long as the friend's currency holds its value. A carry trade earns the interest rate gap and loses whatever the high-yielding currency falls, so the gap is the only cushion. Here the cushion is 7% less 0.5%, 6.5 points a year.
On 100 of borrowed yen, the rupee investment grows to 107 and the loan to 100.5, so a rupee fall of 6.07% turns 107 back into exactly 100.5 and leaves nothing, slightly less than the 6.5-point rate gap. The relationshipd the fall in the rupee against the yen over the year 1.07 the rupee pot after a year at 7% 1.005 the yen owed after a year at 0.5% What it says in wordsThe trade breaks even when the grown rupee pot, converted at the new rate, just repays the grown yen loan.Why is 6.5% not quite right, and what else should you say?
Because the fall hits the whole pot, principal and interest, and a 6.5% fall on 107 costs almost 7. The exact break-even is 6.07%, and the difference matters only for precision. The bigger point is that a currency can lose 6% in days, while the carry is earned slowly over a year. That lopsided pattern, small steady gains and occasional sharp losses, is what makes carry trades dangerous to size.
One more thing is worth one sentence. If you hedged the currency with a one-year forward, the forward rate would already build in a rupee fall of about the rate gap, and the profit would disappear. The unhedged carry trade is a bet that the rupee does better than the forward price implies. That is a view on the currency, not free money.
Where candidates lose it
The trap is answering 6.5%, the rate gap, and stopping. It is close, but it misses that the rupee fall applies to the interest as well as the principal, and a sharp interviewer will ask why 6.5% on 107 still loses money.
The bigger miss is presenting carry as a sure profit. Say that the cushion is small compared with how far currencies can move, and that a forward hedge would remove the gain entirely.
What the interviewer asks next
- What one-year forward rate would make the hedged trade earn nothing?
- Why do carry trades tend to lose money all at once in a market panic?
- How would you size this trade if the rupee's annual volatility against the yen were 10%?
064A corporate bond yields 180 basis points more than a government bond of the same maturity and has a spread duration of 5. How far can its spread widen over the next year before it earns no more than the government bond?AQR Capital ManagementGreenwich · 2021
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How much widening does the 180 basis point spread absorb?
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About 36 basis points. Over a year the bond earns 180 basis points more than the government bond. Every basis point the spread widens knocks about 5 basis points off its price, because its spread duration is 5. The extra yield is used up when widening times 5 equals 180, which is at 36 basis points. Beyond that the corporate bond does worse than the government bond.
What is the cushion, and what eats it?
Think of a shop that earns a steady margin on every sale but whose stock loses value when fashions change. The margin comes in slowly; a markdown hits all at once. A credit spread pays carry slowly over the year, while widening hits the price immediately, in proportion to spread duration. The carry is 180 basis points. A spread duration of 5 means a 1 basis point widening costs about 5 basis points of price.
The bond earns 1.80% more than the government bond if spreads do not move, loses 0.05% for every basis point of widening, and so falls behind once spreads widen more than 36 basis points. The relationshipDelta s* the widening at which the extra return is zero spread the extra yield over the government bond, 180 basis points spread duration the percentage price change for a 1 point change in spread, 5 What it says in wordsDivide the extra yield by the spread duration to find how much widening it can absorb.What would you add to sound like a credit investor?
Two refinements, both worth a sentence. First, part of the spread pays for defaults, not risk. If expected default losses were 50 basis points a year, an illustration, only 130 is true cushion and the break-even falls to 26 basis points. The spread is not all profit, so the honest break-even uses the spread after expected losses. Second, the price loss is felt at the end of the year, when the bond is shorter; at a spread duration of about 4.2 then, the break-even is closer to 43. The 36 is the conservative, quick answer.
The ratio also compares bonds quickly. A short bond with a small spread can have a wider break-even than a long bond with a big one, because the long bond's duration magnifies every move. Credit portfolio managers often rank bonds by spread per unit of spread duration for exactly this reason.
Where candidates lose it
The trap is saying 180 basis points, as if the spread could widen by its own size before the bond loses out. Candidates forget that duration multiplies every basis point of widening into a larger price loss.
The second loss is treating the whole spread as profit. Mention expected default losses; it shows you know why the spread exists in the first place.
What the interviewer asks next
- A 2-year bond at 90 bp and a 10-year at 220 bp with spread duration 8: which has the wider break-even?
- How does roll-down along the credit curve change this answer?
- Why might a portfolio manager hold the bond even if she expects 50 bp of widening?
Asked at AQR Capital Management, Investment Research, Greenwich, 2021 (Wall Street Oasis):
Discussion on credit spreads on fixed income products and duration.
065A fund returned 18% in a year when its benchmark index returned 14% and cash returned 6%. The fund's beta to the index is 1.3. What is its Jensen's alpha?Performance analysisAsset management
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What is the fund's alpha for the year?
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1.6%, not 4%. A fund with a beta of 1.3 should earn cash plus 1.3 times the market's return over cash: 6% plus 1.3 times 8%, which is 16.4%. It earned 18%, so the return its market exposure does not explain is 1.6 points. Most of the 4-point lead over the index came from simply taking more market risk in a rising year.
Why is beating the index by 4 points not the answer?
Imagine two drivers on a downhill road. One coasts, the other presses the accelerator. The second arrives first, but that says nothing about who drives better. A fund with a beta above 1 is expected to beat a rising market, so raw outperformance mixes skill with extra market exposure. Jensen's alpha strips out the part of the return that the fund's beta alone would have delivered, and asks what is left.
The relationshipR_p the fund's return, 18% R_f the cash, or risk-free, rate, 6% R_m the index return, 14% beta the fund's sensitivity to the index, 1.3 What it says in wordsAlpha is the fund's return less what its market exposure alone would have earned.The security market line gives a 1.3-beta fund a required return of 16.4% in a year when the index made 14% and cash 6%, so the fund's 18% is only 1.6 points of alpha, well short of its 4-point lead over the index. What would you warn about the 1.6%?
Three things. Beta is estimated from past returns, and an error of 0.1 in beta moves alpha by 0.8 points here, half the answer. A single year's alpha is mostly noise, so it describes what happened rather than proving skill. And the answer flips in a falling market: in a year when the index loses, a 1.3-beta fund is expected to lose more, and a fund that merely matches the index would show positive alpha. Always read alpha next to the market's direction and the number of years behind it.
Where candidates lose it
The trap is answering 4%, the gap to the index, which ignores beta completely. The interviewer gave you the beta precisely so you would use it.
The second trap is multiplying the whole 14% by 1.3 to get 18.2% and calling alpha negative. Beta scales the market's return over cash, not the cash part. Write the formula first and put the numbers in.
What the interviewer asks next
- In a year when the index falls 10% and cash earns 6%, what return gives this fund zero alpha?
- How many years of 1.6% alpha, with 4% tracking error, would you need before trusting it?
- Why might a manager prefer to be measured on information ratio rather than Jensen's alpha?
066Five pirates, ranked A to E by seniority, must split 100 gold coins. The most senior pirate proposes a split and everyone votes. If at least half the votes, including his own, are in favour, the split stands; otherwise he is thrown overboard and the next pirate proposes. Pirates are perfectly rational, want to survive first and maximise coins second, and vote no when indifferent. What does A propose?Hedge fundsQuantitative asset management
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How many coins does A keep?
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A proposes 98 for himself, 0 for B, 1 for C, 0 for D and 1 for E. Solve from the end. With two pirates, D keeps all 100 because his own vote is half. With three, C buys E for 1 coin. With four, B buys D for 1. With five, A needs two votes and buys the two pirates who get nothing under B's plan, C and E, for one coin each, keeping 98.
Where do you start?
At the end, where there is no choice left. Think of planning a train journey with connections: you start from the time you must arrive and work back to when you must leave. A sequential game is solved backwards, because each pirate's vote depends only on what he would get if the current proposal failed. With two pirates left, D proposes 100 for himself; his own vote is half, which is enough. So E gets nothing if it ever comes to that, and E knows it.
Read the grid from the bottom up: each proposer keeps everything except one coin for each vote he needs, and he buys the pirates who would get nothing in the row below, so A ends with 98 and pays C and E one coin each. How does each step follow from the one below?
With three pirates, C needs two votes, his own and one more. E gets 0 if C dies, so one coin buys E: C proposes [99, 0, 1]. With four, B needs two votes; under C's plan D gets 0, so B buys D for one coin: [99, 0, 1, 0]. A vote is worth exactly one coin more than that pirate's fallback, so a proposer always buys the cheapest voters, the ones left with nothing in the next round. With five, A needs three votes. Under B's plan C and E get nothing, so one coin each buys them, and A proposes [98, 0, 1, 0, 1].
State the assumptions, because the answer rests on them. If an indifferent pirate voted yes, A could buy votes for zero coins. If the rule needed a strict majority, the counts change. Interviewers often change one rule as a follow-up to see whether you rebuild the chain or reach for a memorised answer. The buy-side lesson is about incentives: what someone will accept depends on their alternative, not on fairness.
Where candidates lose it
The trap is reasoning forwards from fairness, proposing an even split or generous bribes to the next in line. Without the backward chain you cannot know who is cheap to buy, and B, the obvious ally, is in fact the most expensive vote because he inherits the power if A dies.
The second loss is skipping the stated assumptions. Say that indifferent pirates vote no and that exactly half passes; they decide whether the bribe is one coin or zero.
What the interviewer asks next
- What if a proposal needs a strict majority rather than half?
- With the same rules, what happens with 200 pirates and 100 coins?
- Where do you see the same logic, what someone accepts depends on their outside option, in a debt restructuring?
067A sponsor buys a business at 8 times EBITDA of Rs 100 crore, funded 50% with debt. EBITDA grows 8% a year, and Rs 40 crore of free cash flow repays debt every year. What exit multiple after five years gives the sponsor 2.5 times its money?Neuberger BermanNew York · 2022Neuberger BermanNew York · 2022
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Roughly what exit multiple does 2.5 times the money need?
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About 8.2 times, barely above the 8 times paid. Entry value is Rs 800 crore, half debt, so equity is Rs 400 crore and the target is Rs 1,000 crore. Five years of Rs 40 crore repayments leave Rs 200 crore of debt, so the exit value must be Rs 1,200 crore. Year 5 EBITDA is 100 times 1.08 to the fifth, Rs 146.9 crore, and 1,200 over that is 8.17 times.
Why work backwards from the target?
Think of saving for a house: you start from the price you must reach and work out what monthly saving gets you there, instead of guessing savings and hoping. A paper LBO question that fixes the return is solved from the exit backwards, because the target return pins the equity value, and everything else follows from it. Equity in is half of Rs 800 crore, Rs 400 crore. 2.5 times that is Rs 1,000 crore of equity at exit.
The sponsor needs Rs 1,000 crore of equity and still owes Rs 200 crore of debt, so the business must sell for Rs 1,200 crore, which on year 5 EBITDA of Rs 146.9 crore is an exit multiple of 8.17 times. Which step do candidates drop?
The debt still owed. The equity holders only get what is left after the lenders are repaid, so the enterprise value at exit is the equity target plus the remaining debt: Rs 1,000 crore plus Rs 200 crore. Enterprise value belongs to lenders and owners together, so you always add the debt back before dividing by EBITDA. Dividing Rs 1,000 crore alone by Rs 146.9 crore gives 6.8 times and a wrong story about a deal that works even with a lower multiple.
The relationship2.5 x 400 the equity the sponsor needs back, Rs crore 400 - 5 x 40 debt still owed after five annual repayments 100 x 1.08^5 year 5 EBITDA, Rs crore What it says in wordsThe exit multiple is the equity target plus remaining debt, divided by exit EBITDA.Of the Rs 600 crore gain, EBITDA growth valued at the entry multiple supplies Rs 375 crore and debt paydown Rs 200 crore, so the multiple only needs to add Rs 25 crore, a rise from 8.0 to 8.17 times. Then give the view. 2.5 times in five years is an IRR of about 20%, and this deal gets there almost entirely from growth and paydown. That is the comfortable kind of LBO: the return does not depend on a buyer paying more than the sponsor did. Say the simplifications as well: free cash flow is held flat at Rs 40 crore although EBITDA grows, and fees, interest on the debt and taxes are folded into that figure.
Where candidates lose it
The trap is forgetting the Rs 200 crore of debt still outstanding and dividing the equity target by EBITDA, which gives 6.8 times and makes the deal look safer than it is. The exit value must cover the lenders before the sponsor sees a rupee.
The second loss is stopping at the number. The interviewer wants to hear that 8.2 times against 8 times paid means the return is driven by growth and paydown, not by hoping for multiple expansion.
What the interviewer asks next
- What IRR does the deal earn if the exit multiple falls to 7 times?
- How does the answer change if the sponsor uses 60% debt and repays the same Rs 40 crore a year?
- Why might free cash flow for debt repayment not stay flat at Rs 40 crore as EBITDA grows?
Asked at Neuberger Berman, Private Equity, New York, 2022 (Wall Street Oasis):
The most difficult was the more advanced industry-specific technicals and paperback LBOs
Asked at Neuberger Berman, Private Equity, New York, 2022 (Wall Street Oasis):Interviews 4-5 were very technical again and also included multiple paperback LBOs and other, more advanced technicals.
068An index fund charges 0.20% a year and keeps 1% of its assets in cash, which earns 6.5% in a year when the index returns 12%. It earns an extra 0.05% from lending securities. What is its tracking difference for the year?Mutual fundsPortfolio implementation
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What does the 1% cash holding cost the fund?
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About -0.21%: the fund returns about 11.79% against the index's 12%. The fee takes 0.20 points. The 1% in cash earns 5.5 points less than the index, which costs 0.01 times 5.5, or 0.055 points. Securities lending adds back 0.05. Together: minus 0.20, minus 0.055, plus 0.05, a tracking difference of -0.205%. The expense ratio is most of the story.
What is tracking difference, and how does it differ from tracking error?
Think of a tailor copying a suit. The tracking differenceThe fund return minus the index return over a period. A steady shortfall, mostly the costs of running the fund. is how much shorter the copy comes out on average; the tracking errorThe standard deviation of the gap between fund and index returns. How unevenly the fund follows the index. is how uneven the stitching is. Tracking difference is the fund's return less the index's, and for a well-run index fund it is mostly the costs of running the fund. Investors feel it directly: it is the return they lose for holding the fund instead of the index itself.
Starting from the index's 12%, the fee takes 0.20 points, cash drag 0.055 points and securities lending adds 0.05, leaving the fund at 11.795%, a tracking difference of -0.205% of which the fee is the largest part. Why is the cash drag so small?
Because the cash is not idle; it earns 6.5%. Cash drag is the cash weight times the gap between the index return and the cash return, not the cash weight times the index return. Here the gap is 5.5 points and the weight 1%, so the drag is 0.055 points. In a falling market the sign flips: if the index lost 10%, the 1% in cash would add about 0.165 points and the fund would lag by less than its fee.
The relationshipw_c the share of the fund held in cash, 1% R_idx the index return, 12% R_c the return on cash, 6.5% What it says in wordsTracking difference is the fee plus the cost of the cash, less any income from lending.Other small items sit in the same bucket and are worth naming: trading costs when the index changes its members, the timing of dividends, and taxes the index ignores but the fund pays. None usually rivals the fee. When two index funds on the same index are compared, a lower expense ratio is the first thing to check, then the reported tracking difference over several years, which the fund documents disclose; confirm the current disclosure rules for the market in question.
Where candidates lose it
The trap is charging the full index return on the cash holding, 1% of 12%, and overstating the drag at 0.12%. The cash earned 6.5%; only the gap is lost.
The second loss is mixing up tracking difference with tracking error. The first is a steady shortfall in return, the second is the wobble around it. Say which one you are computing.
What the interviewer asks next
- If the index falls 10% and cash still earns 6.5%, what is the tracking difference?
- Why might an index fund have a near-zero tracking difference but a high tracking error?
- When would securities lending income be a reason for concern rather than comfort?
069A stock trades at Rs 100. In a year it will be worth Rs 150 with probability 40% or Rs 70 with probability 60%, and it pays no dividend. Your required return for this risk is 10%. Is it worth buying at Rs 100?Fundamental asset managementAsset management
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The expected price is above today's price. Does that make it a buy?
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No. It is worth about Rs 92.7 to you, against a price of Rs 100. The expected price in a year is 0.4 times 150 plus 0.6 times 70, which is Rs 102, an expected return of only 2%. You need 10% for this risk, so you should pay no more than Rs 102 divided by 1.10. To justify Rs 100, the chance of the up case would have to be 50%.
Why is a positive expected gain not enough?
Imagine lending a friend Rs 100 for a year and expecting Rs 102 back, when a bank deposit would pay you more with no worry at all. You would not do it. An investment has to beat the return you require for its risk, not merely beat zero. Here the expected price of Rs 102 is a 2% expected return, and you have said this risk needs 10%. The shortfall is the whole answer.
A 40% chance of Rs 150 and a 60% chance of Rs 70 give an expected price of Rs 102, which discounted at the required 10% is worth Rs 92.7 today, below the Rs 100 price. The relationshipV_0 the value today, Rs 0.4, 0.6 the chances of the up and down cases 1.10 one plus the required return What it says in wordsWeight each outcome by its chance, then discount the expected price at the return you require.What would change your mind?
Turn the question round and ask what probability makes Rs 100 fair. At a 10% required return the expected price must be Rs 110, and p times 150 plus one minus p times 70 equals 110 when p is 0.50. Stating the break-even probability turns a yes or no into a view you can argue about: do you believe the up case is at least a coin flip? That is exactly the conversation a portfolio manager has about a stock pitch, where the scenarios and their weights matter more than the single target.
Say the limits of the model too. Two outcomes are a sketch; real outcomes spread across a range. The required return itself is a judgement, and a lower one, 2% or less, would make the same stock look fair. The method survives those caveats: expected value first, then compare it with the return the risk demands.
Where candidates lose it
The trap is stopping at the expected price. Rs 102 is above Rs 100, candidates say buy, and they have ignored the required return the question hands them.
The second trap is comparing the Rs 50 upside with the Rs 30 downside without weighting them. A bigger upside that happens less often is not automatically better.
What the interviewer asks next
- What required return would make Rs 100 a fair price?
- If the down case became Rs 80, would it be worth buying?
- How would you size a position in a stock with this payoff if you did like it?
070A portfolio has fallen 40% from its peak. What annual return does it need to get back to that peak within three years?Wealth managementRisk management
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Pick the annual return needed before you calculate.
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About 18.6% a year. After a 40% fall, 100 has become 60, and getting back to 100 needs a gain of 40 on 60, which is 66.7%. Spread over three years with compounding, the annual return is the cube root of 100 over 60, about 1.186, so 18.6% a year. Dividing the loss or the gain by three gives the wrong answer both ways.
Why does a 40% loss need more than 40% to repair?
A tree that loses 40% of its branches does not regrow them at the rate it lost them; it regrows from what is left. A loss is measured against the old, larger value, but the recovery is measured against the new, smaller one, so the gain needed is always bigger than the loss. Here 100 falls to 60. Getting back to 100 needs 40 on a base of 60, which is 66.7%. The same effect grows quickly: a 60% loss needs 150%.
The gain needed to recover rises faster than the loss, from 25% after a 20% fall to 66.7% after a 40% fall and 150% after a 60% fall, and repairing the 40% fall in three years takes about 18.6% a year. The relationship0.40 the drawdown, as a decimal 1/(1-0.40) the multiple needed to get back to the peak, 1.667 1/3 spread over three years with compounding What it says in wordsFind the multiple needed to recover, then take the root for the number of years.What should you say to a client after the number?
That 18.6% a year for three years is a demanding return for most portfolios, and chasing it by taking more risk can deepen the hole. The honest conversation is about the time it takes to recover, not about finding a return high enough to recover quickly. Allow five years and the requirement falls to about 10.8% a year. The deeper lesson for portfolio construction is that avoiding large drawdowns is worth more than it looks, because the repair costs rise so steeply.
Where candidates lose it
The trap is answering 13.3%, the 40% loss divided by three years. It makes two mistakes at once: it measures the gain on the wrong base and it ignores compounding.
The half-right answer, 22.2%, gets the 66.7% right and then divides by three. Take the cube root, and say both steps out loud so the interviewer hears you knew each one.
What the interviewer asks next
- What loss would need exactly 100% to recover, and why?
- If the portfolio earns 10% a year from here, how long does recovery take?
- Why do risk managers set drawdown limits well before the loss gets large?
