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081A client holds three lots of the same mutual fund, 1,000 units each, bought at NAV 100, 150 and 180. The NAV is now 170 and he redeems one lot's worth of units. What is his taxable gain under first in, first out, and what would it be if he could choose which lot to sell?Mutual fund distributionIndian wealth management
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Under first in, first out, what gain does he book?
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Rs 70,000 under first in, first out, against a loss of Rs 10,000 if he could pick the lot bought at 180. FIFO sells the NAV 100 units: 70 a unit on 1,000 units. Picking the newest lot books 170 minus 180, a loss of 10 a unit. The gap is Rs 80,000 of taxable gain, Rs 16,000 of tax at an illustrative 20%, though only a shift in timing.
Why does it matter which lot is sold?
Think of a shop selling rice it bought in three batches at three prices. Its profit on today's sale depends on which batch it says it sold. Units of one fund are identical in the market but not in the tax records: each lot carries its own cost, so the lot matched to a sale decides the gain. The oldest lot here has the lowest cost and the biggest gain.
Against today's NAV of 170 the lot bought at 100 carries a Rs 70,000 gain, the lot at 150 a Rs 20,000 gain and the lot at 180 a Rs 10,000 loss, so first in, first out books Rs 70,000 of gain where picking the newest lot would book a loss. In India, redemptions of units of the same scheme are generally matched first in, first out, so the client cannot usually pick the lot; confirm the current rule before relying on it. The puzzle asks for both numbers so you can show the cost of the rule, Rs 80,000 of gain brought forward.
Does picking the lot actually save tax?
Mostly it moves tax in time. The three lots carry Rs 80,000 of gain in total at 170, whatever the order. Choosing the high-cost lot defers gains rather than erasing them, so its value is the time value of the deferred tax plus any loss he can set against other gains now. Two things can change that: the oldest lot may qualify for a lower long-term rate because it has been held longer, and a loss booked today may offset gains elsewhere in the same year.
The relationship170 today's NAV, the sale price per unit cost the NAV each lot was bought at: 100, 150 or 180 1,000 units per lot What it says in wordsEach lot's gain is the sale price less that lot's cost, times its units.Where candidates lose it
Candidates reach for the average cost, 143.3, and book a gain of about Rs 26,667. That is how many people track a holding, but it is not how the redemption is matched here.
The second slip is saying lot choice saves Rs 16,000 of tax outright. It mostly defers it; say the total gain is Rs 80,000 whichever order, and name the holding period as the thing that can change the rate.
What the interviewer asks next
- The NAV falls to 140. Which lots are at a loss, and what does first in, first out book now?
- How could the client use the loss on the newest lot this year?
- Why might selling the oldest lot be cheaper in tax even with the largest gain?
082A client's portfolio has an expected annual return of 10% and a volatility of 20%. Assuming returns are normally distributed, what is the chance of a negative year?Wealth management
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Roughly how often does this portfolio lose money in a year?
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About 31%, roughly one year in three. A loss means a return below zero, which is 10 points under the 10% mean. With volatility of 20, that is half a standard deviation below the mean, a z-score of minus 0.5, and the normal table puts 30.9% of outcomes below that point.
How do you get from 10% and 20% to a chance of loss?
Picture a bus that arrives on average at 9:10 but varies by about 20 minutes either way. Arriving before 9:00 is only 10 minutes early, half of its usual wobble, so it happens often. The chance of a losing year depends on how many standard deviations separate the mean return from zero, not on the mean alone. Here zero is 10 points below the mean and a standard deviation is 20, so zero sits half a standard deviation down.
The relationshipz how many standard deviations zero sits from the mean \Phi the share of a normal distribution below a given z R one year's return What it says in wordsConvert zero into standard deviations from the mean, then read the share of outcomes below it.With a mean of 10% and volatility of 20%, zero sits half a standard deviation below the centre, and the red area below it holds 31% of years, so a healthy expected return still loses about one year in three. What do you tell the client, and what is the catch?
Tell him in years, not in z-scores: in a typical decade he should expect about three losing years. Saying the chance of a losing year before he invests is what keeps a client invested when one arrives. A client told only the 10% expected return reads a losing year as a broken promise.
Then give the limitation. Real returns have fatter tails than the normal curve, so large losses turn up more often than the bell suggests, and years are not fully independent. The 31% is a clean first estimate, not a forecast.
Where candidates lose it
The weak answer is "rarely, because the expected return is positive". It confuses the centre of the distribution with its spread, and it is exactly the thinking that makes clients sell in the first bad year.
The second slip is getting the z-score wrong way round or using the whole standard deviation: zero is 10 points away, which is half of 20, not one full standard deviation.
What the interviewer asks next
- What is the chance of losing more than 10% in a year?
- Volatility falls to 10% with the same expected return. What is the chance of a losing year now?
- Why might the real chance of a large loss be higher than the normal curve says?
083A retired client has a Rs 3 crore corpus and spends Rs 12 lakh a year in today's money. With a 0% real return the money lasts 25 years. How long does it last if the corpus earns a 3% real return?Wealth management
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Your best guess for how long it lasts at 3% real.
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About 47 years, nearly double the 25. At 3% real the corpus earns Rs 9 lakh in the first year, three quarters of the Rs 12 lakh drawn, so it shrinks slowly. Solving the annuity, 3 crore = 12 lakh x (1 - 1.03 to the minus n) / 0.03, gives n of about 46.9 years with year-end withdrawals. It would last for ever only at Rs 400 lakh.
Why does 3% nearly double the corpus's life?
Think of a water tank you draw 12 buckets a year from, while a tap refills 9 buckets. The tank drains at 3 buckets a year at first, not 12. A real return refills the corpus each year, and early on the refill covers most of the spending, so a small return stretches a corpus far more than intuition expects. As the corpus shrinks the refill shrinks too, which is why the curve steepens near the end.
The relationship300 the corpus in Rs lakh 12 yearly spending in today's money, Rs lakh 0.03 the real return n years the corpus lasts What it says in wordsThe corpus equals the present value of the withdrawals; solve for the number of years that makes them match.At a 0% real return the Rs 3 crore corpus runs down in a straight line and is empty at year 25, while at 3% real it bends and lasts 46.9 years, because the return refills most of each year's withdrawal early on. How do you check the answer without solving anything?
Use the perpetuity as a ceiling. Rs 12 lakh a year for ever at 3% needs 12 / 0.03 = Rs 400 lakh. The client holds three quarters of the for-ever corpus, so the money runs out, but late: the answer must sit well above 25 years and below infinity. Nearly 47 years passes that test.
Then say the limitation. A steady 3% real return does not exist; the order of good and bad years matters, and a bad run early in retirement shortens the life of the corpus even if the average holds. Use 47 years as the arithmetic, not a promise.
Where candidates lose it
Most candidates add a few years, answering 28 or 30, because they apply the 3% as a small correction to 25. They miss that the return is earned on the whole corpus while spending comes out gradually.
The opposite slip is saying it lasts for ever. Check it against the perpetuity: for ever needs Rs 4 crore at 3%, and the client has Rs 3 crore.
What the interviewer asks next
- What real return makes Rs 3 crore last for ever at Rs 12 lakh a year?
- What if withdrawals are taken at the start of each year instead?
- How does a bad first five years change the answer, even with the same average?
084A bank fixed deposit quotes 7% a year, compounded quarterly. What is the effective annual yield?Indian wealth management
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Pick the effective yield.
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About 7.19%. Quarterly compounding pays 7 / 4 = 1.75% each quarter, and each quarter's interest earns interest in the quarters that follow. Rs 100 grows to 101.75, 103.53, 105.34 and 107.19. The effective yield is 1.0175 to the fourth, less 1, which is 7.19%.
Why is the effective yield above the quoted 7%?
If a friend repays you in four instalments and you lend each instalment on at once, you end the year with more than if the whole amount came back at year end. The quoted rate is the per-period rate times the number of periods; the effective yield adds the interest earned on interest paid earlier in the year. The more often it compounds, the wider the gap.
Rs 100 grows by 1.75% a quarter to Rs 107.19 at the year end, each quarter's interest slightly larger than the last, so the effective yield is 7.19% against the quoted 7%. The relationship0.07 the quoted annual rate 4 compounding periods a year EAR the effective annual rate, what Rs 100 actually becomes in a year What it says in wordsDivide the quoted rate by the periods, compound it that many times, and subtract one.When does the 7.19% not apply?
The effective yield assumes the interest stays in the deposit; on a payout deposit that sends interest to the client each quarter, he earns 7% unless he reinvests it himself. Tax is the second gap: interest on deposits is typically taxed as income each year at the client's slab rate, so the after-tax figure is lower still. Confirm the current treatment before comparing a deposit with a fund.
Use the effective rate whenever you compare products that compound at different frequencies, such as a quarterly deposit against an annual-coupon bond. Comparing quoted rates across frequencies is comparing different units.
Where candidates lose it
The common slip is to say 7% because that is what the bank quoted. The interviewer is checking whether you hear the words "compounded quarterly" and know they change the answer.
The rarer slip is reading 7% as a quarterly rate and quoting about 31%. Say the per-quarter rate, 1.75%, out loud before compounding.
What the interviewer asks next
- What would the effective yield be with monthly compounding?
- A bond pays 7.1% once a year. Which pays more, the bond or the deposit?
- How does a 30% tax slab change the comparison?
085A client bought a stock at Rs 500 and it now trades at Rs 300. He says he will sell only once it gets back to Rs 500. What return does he need just to get there, and what is wrong with the plan?Wealth management
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What rise takes Rs 300 back to Rs 500?
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He needs 66.7%, and the plan anchors on a price the market does not care about. Getting from Rs 300 to Rs 500 is a rise of 200 on 300. At 12% a year that is about 4.5 years. The purchase price is history; the question is whether he would buy the stock at Rs 300 today.
Why is 66.7% bigger than the 40% he lost?
A shirt marked down from Rs 500 to Rs 300 is 40% off. Marking it back up to Rs 500 is a 66.7% rise, because the markup is taken on the lower price. A percentage recovery is measured from the lower base, so the gain needed to recover always exceeds the loss suffered.
The relationshipg the rise needed to get back to the purchase price n years to get there at 12% a year What it says in wordsThe rise needed is the purchase price over today's price, less one; at 12% a year it takes about four and a half years.The Rs 500 purchase price sits above today's Rs 300 like an anchor, and reaching it needs a 66.7% rise, about 4.5 years at 12% a year, although the market sets no target from what the client paid. What is wrong with waiting to get back to Rs 500?
AnchoringLeaning on a reference number, here the purchase price, when judging a value that should not depend on it. on the purchase price makes a past number decide a future choice. The stock's next return is the same whether he bought at Rs 500 or Rs 200, so the only live question is whether Rs 300 of this stock is the best use of Rs 300 today. Holding a loser to avoid admitting a loss, while selling winners early, is a well documented pattern called the disposition effect.
Say it kindly. Nobody enjoys booking a loss, and the job is not to tell the client he was wrong. Ask him whether he would buy it today at 300; if the answer is no, he is holding it only because of a number from the past. A booked loss may also offset other gains for tax, which is a real reason to act rather than wait.
Where candidates lose it
The fast wrong answer is 40%, the size of the fall. It measures the recovery on the old base, and the interviewer hears that you would not spot the same error in a client's thinking.
The bigger loss is doing only the arithmetic. The question asks what is wrong with the plan: name anchoring, give the one question that breaks it, and say it without making the client feel foolish.
What the interviewer asks next
- The stock falls further to Rs 250. What rise is needed now?
- Why do investors tend to sell winners too early and hold losers too long?
- How would you raise this with a client who is emotionally attached to the stock?
086Estimate the annual market, in rupees, for will-drafting services across India's ten largest cities.Trust and estate administration
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Which step in this estimate deserves the most scrutiny?
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Roughly Rs 210 crore a year, on stated assumptions. Take 10 crore people, 2.5 crore households at four each, 40% with property or savings worth protecting, and two adults each: 2 crore people who need a will. If 15% ever write one over a 30-year window, that is 1 lakh wills a year, at a blended Rs 21,000 each.
How do you structure the estimate before any number?
Think of estimating how many cakes a bakery sells for birthdays: you would go from people, to birthdays a year, to the share celebrated with a bought cake, to the price. A market size is a chain of counts and rates, and saying the chain out loud before any number is most of the marks. Here the chain runs from people, to households with something to leave, to adults who need a will, to how many write one each year, to the fee.
Ten crore people become 2 crore adults who need a will, 1 lakh of whom write one each year at an average Rs 21,000, a market of about Rs 210 crore, and the 15% will-making rate is the step that moves it most. Every number in the tree is an assumption to state, not a fact: the population of the ten cities, the household size and the 40% share should be replaced with census and survey figures when you have them. The fee split reflects two very different products: a simple will drafted online or by a local lawyer, and a complex will or estate plan prepared alongside a private wealth adviser.
Which step would you defend least, and what does that tell you?
The 15% lifetime rate of writing a formal will. The estimate is only as good as its least defensible step, so name that step and show what happens when it moves. At 30% the market doubles to Rs 420 crore; at 7.5% it halves. The interviewer will usually push on the weak step, so get there first.
The relationship2 crore adults in households with something to protect 15% / 30 the share who ever write a will, spread over a 30-year window Rs 21,000 the blended fee, 80% simple and 20% complex wills What it says in wordsWills written each year times the average fee gives the yearly market.Close with a sense check from the other side: 1 lakh wills a year across ten cities is about 40 wills a working day in each city, which feels plausible for the number of lawyers and advisers who offer the service.
Where candidates lose it
The common loss is diving into numbers with no structure, so each figure arrives from nowhere and the interviewer cannot follow or challenge it. Say the chain first.
The second loss is defending every assumption equally. Name the will-making rate as the weak step, show the range, and the answer becomes a judgement rather than a guess.
What the interviewer asks next
- How would you size the market for estate planning for families above Rs 25 crore?
- What data would you use to replace the 15% assumption?
- How does a rise in online will services change the fee mix and the market?
087A client buys a put option 10% below the market every year to protect his portfolio, at a cost of 2% of the portfolio a year. If the market goes nowhere for ten years, how much wealth has the insurance cost him?Private banking
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After ten flat years, what share of his wealth has gone on premiums?
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About 18.3% of his wealth. In a flat market the puts, struck 10% below, never pay out, so each year he simply loses 2%. Ten years leave 0.98 to the power 10, which is 0.817 of the starting wealth. That is slightly under 20% because each premium is taken from a pot the earlier premiums have already shrunk.
Why is the cost close to 18% and not 20%?
Paying 2% of your salary every year for a subscription feels like a small fixed charge, but if it were 2% of your savings each year, the savings would shrink and each charge would be a little smaller in rupees. A yearly premium set as a share of the portfolio compounds downwards, so ten years of 2% cost 1 minus 0.98 to the 10th, about 18.3%, not a flat 20%. In rupees, a Rs 10 crore portfolio would stand at about Rs 8.17 crore.
In a flat market the uninsured portfolio stays at 100 while the insured one pays 2% a year for puts that never pay and falls to 81.7, a gap that widens every year to 18.3% of wealth. The relationship0.02 the yearly premium as a share of the portfolio 10 years the insurance is bought W_10 wealth after ten years, as a share of the start What it says in wordsEach year keeps 98% of the pot, so ten years keep 0.98 to the tenth power.So is the insurance a bad idea?
Not by itself. A put optionA contract that gives the holder the right to sell an asset at a set price, so it pays out when the price falls below that level. pays out in a crash, which is when a client most needs cash and is most tempted to sell at the bottom. Permanent insurance is a permanent drag, so the question is whether the protection is worth about 2 points of return every year, not whether it pays out in any one year. A flat decade is the worst case for the buyer, because he pays every premium and collects nothing.
Say the limitation: in a rising market the drag is the same 2% a year taken from a growing pot, and in a crash the puts pay. The honest comparison sets the yearly cost against the losses avoided in the bad years, and the answer depends on how often and how deep those falls are.
Where candidates lose it
The fast answer is 20%, ten times 2%. It ignores that each year's premium is a share of a smaller pot, and the interviewer uses it to see whether you compound costs as naturally as returns.
The bigger loss is judging the insurance by the flat decade alone. Give the 18.3% and then say what the client gets for it, and when.
What the interviewer asks next
- Over the same ten years the market falls 30% once. What would the puts have paid?
- How could the client cut the premium, and what does he give up?
- What is a collar, and why do clients use one?
088A portfolio is expected to return 12% a year. A client borrows at 10% to double his exposure, putting in Rs 1 crore of his own and Rs 1 crore of borrowed money. What does he earn on his own money? What if the portfolio returns 6% instead?Private banking
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At a 12% portfolio return, what does he earn on his own Rs 1 crore?
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14% at a 12% portfolio return, and only 2% at 6%. Rs 2 crore at 12% earns Rs 24 lakh, less Rs 10 lakh of interest, leaving Rs 14 lakh on his Rs 1 crore. At 6% the portfolio earns Rs 12 lakh, less the same Rs 10 lakh, leaving Rs 2 lakh. His return is twice the portfolio return less 10, so leverage helps only above the 10% borrowing rate.
Where does the 14% come from?
A shopkeeper who borrows to double her stock doubles her sales margin, but pays the lender first. If the stock earns more than the loan costs, she keeps the difference on the borrowed half as well as her own margin. On borrowed money the client keeps only the spread between the portfolio return and the borrowing rate, so leverage adds 12 minus 10, two points, to his own 12%.
The relationshipr the portfolio's return 2 exposure as a multiple of his own money 10% the rate on the borrowed crore What it says in wordsHis return is twice the portfolio's, less the interest on the borrowed crore as a share of his own crore.The levered line rises twice as steeply as the unlevered one and crosses it at the 10% borrowing rate, so a 12% portfolio return gives the client 14% while a 6% return gives him only 2%. What happens below the crossing point?
Leverage turns against him. Below the borrowing rate every point the portfolio falls short costs him two, so a flat year loses 10% and a 10% fall loses 30%. The loan interest is due whatever the market does, which is why the downside is steeper than the upside is generous.
Then add what the arithmetic leaves out. A loan against a portfolio usually has a margin requirement: if prices fall far enough, the lender asks for more collateral or sells holdings at the worst moment. The expected 12% is also not certain; a borrowing plan that works only if the portfolio beats 10% needs the client to understand how often it will not.
Where candidates lose it
The fast wrong answer is 24%: double the exposure, double the return. It forgets the interest, and the interviewer uses it to check whether you net the cost of money before calling leverage a win.
The second loss is stopping at 14%. The second half of the question, 6%, is where the lesson is: leverage pays only above the borrowing rate, and below it the losses double.
What the interviewer asks next
- What portfolio return leaves him with exactly zero on his own money?
- The lender asks for more margin if the portfolio falls 25%. What does the client lose at that point?
- How does interest being tax deductible, or not, change the break-even?
089A relationship manager's book grew from Rs 400 crore to Rs 500 crore over a year in which his clients' portfolios rose 12%. How much net new money did he bring in?Wealth management
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How much of the Rs 100 crore growth is new money?
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About Rs 52 crore. The market alone would have taken the book from Rs 400 crore to Rs 448 crore, 12% of 400 being Rs 48 crore. The rest of the growth to Rs 500 crore, Rs 52 crore, is net new money: fresh money in less withdrawals. If the new money arrived through the year and earned some of the rise, the figure is nearer Rs 49 crore.
Why separate the market from the money raised?
A shop's sales rise 25% in a year when prices across the market rose 12%. Most of that rise is inflation, not new customers. Assets under management grow from two sources, the market and net new money, and only the second measures what the adviser did. A banker who quotes 25% growth in a year when markets rose 12% is quoting a number he did not earn in full.
The book of Rs 400 crore gains Rs 48 crore from a 12% market and Rs 52 crore of net new money to close at Rs 500 crore, so only about half of the Rs 100 crore growth came from the adviser. The relationshipNNM net new money: new client money in, less money withdrawn 400 x 1.12 where the opening book would be from market moves alone What it says in wordsNet new money is the closing book less what the opening book would have grown to on its own.When is Rs 52 crore not quite right?
The simple version assumes the new money arrived at the year end, so it earned nothing. If new money came in steadily, part of the market's rise was earned on it, so the true net new money is a little lower than the simple subtraction. With money arriving evenly and earning about half the year's 12%, it is 52 divided by 1.06, about Rs 49 crore.
Say also what the figure hides: net new money is inflows less outflows, so Rs 52 crore could be Rs 80 crore raised and Rs 28 crore lost to clients who left. A manager asking this question usually wants both halves.
Where candidates lose it
The common slip is calling all Rs 100 crore new money, or taking 12% off the closing figure instead of the opening one. The market acts on money the adviser already had, so the 12% applies to Rs 400 crore.
The second loss is missing the timing caveat. Give 52, then say it is an upper figure if the money arrived through the year.
What the interviewer asks next
- The market fell 8% and the book still grew to Rs 420 crore. What was net new money?
- Why do wealth firms report net new money separately from assets?
- How would you split net new money into new clients and existing clients?
090Two sisters invest at 10% a year. Sister A puts in Rs 1 lakh a year from age 25 to 34 and then stops. Sister B puts in Rs 1 lakh a year from 35 to 60. Payments are made at the start of each year. Who has more at 60, and by how much?Indian wealth management
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Who has more at 60?
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Sister A, with about Rs 190 lakh against Rs 109 lakh, ahead by Rs 81 lakh. A pays in only Rs 10 lakh, but her pot is Rs 17.5 lakh at 35 and then compounds untouched for 25 years, about 10.8 times. B pays in Rs 26 lakh, yet her last payments have little time to grow. The early years carry the compounding.
How do you get the answer without a spreadsheet?
Work A in two stages. Ten payments of Rs 1 lakh at 10% build to about Rs 15.9 lakh by the last payment at 34, and to Rs 17.5 lakh a year later at 35. From 35 to 60 that pot compounds for 25 years. At 10% money doubles about every 7.2 years, so 25 years is about three and a half doublings, roughly 11 times, which takes Rs 17.5 lakh to about Rs 190 lakh.
The relationship(1.1^10 - 1) / 0.1 ten yearly payments of Rs 1 lakh added up with their growth, about 15.9 lakh 1.1^26 growth from the last payment at 34 to age 60 B_60 26 payments from 35 to 60, the last earning nothing What it says in wordsA's small early pot grows for 26 more years; B's larger total has much less time in the market.Sister A stops paying at 34 with Rs 17.5 lakh at 35 and still ends at Rs 189.9 lakh at 60, well above Sister B's Rs 109.2 lakh from 26 payments, because A's money has decades longer to compound. Why does B never catch up, even with 26 payments?
Picture a snowball rolled from the top of a long slope against a bigger pile of snow thrown on halfway down. The first has more distance to gather snow. At 10% a rupee invested at 25 is worth about 28 rupees at 60, while a rupee invested at 50 is worth about 2.6, so a decade of early payments outweighs a quarter century of later ones. For B to match A she would need to pay about Rs 1.74 lakh a year from 35.
Then add the honest limits. A steady 10% is an illustration, not a forecast; a real sequence of returns will differ, and fees and taxes reduce both pots. The ratio between the sisters, though, comes from time in the market, and that holds at any positive rate: the lower the rate, the smaller A's lead.
Where candidates lose it
Most candidates answer B because she paid in more than twice as much. They count rupees and forget the time each rupee has to grow, which is exactly the mistake a wealth client makes when he delays starting.
The second loss is freezing because the sum looks like it needs a spreadsheet. Split A into two stages and use doublings for the second: an estimate within a few lakh is what the interviewer wants.
What the interviewer asks next
- At what rate of return would the two sisters end level?
- How much would B need to invest each year to match A at 60?
- What does this puzzle say about an employer's retirement contribution that starts at 25?
