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PIK Interest: Interest Paid in More Debt

Payment-in-kind (PIK) interest is interest paid in more debt rather than in money. The unpaid coupon is added to what is owed and then earns interest itself, so the balance compounds while nothing leaves the borrower. The lender books income it has not received. On position 3 of Nilgiri Direct Lending Fund I, invented, Rs 30,00,00,000 becomes Rs 35,64,30,000 in two years.

The arrangement is small enough to hold in one hand. A lender advances a cousin Rs 1,00,000 for a year at ten per cent. At the end of the year there are two ways that interest can reach the lender. The cousin can hand over Rs 10,000, in which case Rs 10,000 has left the cousin and arrived with the lender. Or the two of them can agree that the Rs 10,000 is simply added to what is owed, so nothing changes hands and the debt becomes Rs 1,10,000. In both cases the cousin has paid the interest for the year. In only one of them has any money moved.

The second arrangement is payment-in-kind interestInterest settled by adding to the amount owed rather than by paying cash., and it is written into loan documents at every size from that cousin to a Rs 30,00,00,000 facility. Everything difficult about it comes from one split: the lender books more income and receives less cash, and both halves of that sentence are true at the same time. A reader who holds only the first half will read a rising income line as money arriving. A reader who holds only the second half will think nothing has happened at all. Both halves have to be held at once, and one invented loan, worked to the rupee, is what carries them here.

Position 3 is one of the eight loans in the book of Nilgiri Direct Lending Fund I, an invented private credit fund managed by Nilgiri Alternatives Advisors Private Limited with Nilgiri Trusteeship Services Private Limited as its trustee. The borrower is not named anywhere in this record. The principalThe amount borrowed, before any interest is added to it. is Rs 30,00,00,000. Every rate quoted here is that invented fund's own contracted rate on that one position, agreed in that one document. None of them is a statement about what private credit costs in India, and what any of it will eventually be worth is a question about a borrower rather than about a rate.

What does it actually mean to pay interest in more debt?

Paying interest in more debt means the obligation is settled without a transfer. The document says the borrower shall pay interest at a stated rate, and then it says that some or all of that interest, instead of being remitted, shall be capitalised: added to the outstanding principal, from which moment it is treated exactly as though it had been borrowed on day one. The interest has been paid. Payment came in the currency of more debt.

Position 3 after its reset carries two rates inside the same clause. Eight per cent a year is the cash couponThe part of the interest that is actually paid in money., and that part is remitted. Nine per cent a year is the in-kind part, and that part is capitalised. Added together, the two rates give a blended rateThe cash rate and the in-kind rate added together to give the total contracted rate. of seventeen per cent, the total the borrower has contracted to pay for the year. Seventeen per cent is what the loan costs, and eight per cent is what the borrower has to find. Those are two different facts about one clause, and most of the misreading on this subject comes from collapsing them into one number.

ONE YEAR OF INTEREST ON POSITION 3, AND WHERE EACH HALF OF IT GOES THE BORROWER Principal Rs 30,00,00,000 Not named in this record, and not assessed anywhere THE YEAR'S COUPON 17.0 per cent Rs 5,10,00,000 8.0 in cash plus 9.0 paid in kind, both in one clause PAID IN CASH, AND IT MOVES Rs 2,40,00,000 reaches the lender PAID IN KIND, AND NOTHING MOVES Rs 2,70,00,000 joins the amount owed SO THE AMOUNT OWED AT THE END OF THE YEAR Rs 30,00,00,000 becomes Rs 32,70,00,000 That Rs 2,70,00,000 is principal now, and earns interest itself. INCOME RECORDED Rs 5,10,00,000. CASH RECEIVED Rs 2,40,00,000. SAME YEAR, SAME LOAN.
One clause splits the year's coupon into a part that travels and a part that stays, so the lender on position 3 of this invented fund records Rs 5,10,00,000 of income and receives Rs 2,40,00,000 of money in the very same twelve months.

The in-kind half does one thing on arrival, and that one thing is the whole of the mechanism. The capitalised coupon does not sit in a separate ledger marked unpaid. The coupon becomes principal. From the first day of year two it is indistinguishable from the original Rs 30,00,00,000 and it earns the same seventeen per cent as everything else. Capitalisation is why the arithmetic of the second year looks different from the arithmetic most readers expect.

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Position 3 says eight per cent in cash and nine per cent in kind. What has the borrower contracted to pay for the year?

How does the amount owed grow, and how fast?

Slowly at first, and then in steps that get bigger every year. Each year's rate is charged on a number that last year made larger. The growth of the balance as unpaid coupons join it has a name: accretionThe growth of the amount owed as unpaid interest is added to it.. Here it is on position 3, in whole rupees, with the nine per cent in-kind rate this invented fund contracted for.

At the start the borrower owes Rs 30,00,00,000. Nine per cent of that is Rs 2,70,00,000, and because that coupon is paid in kind it is added rather than remitted, so after one year the borrower owes Rs 32,70,00,000. Now year two. Nine per cent is charged again, but not on Rs 30,00,00,000. The base is Rs 32,70,00,000 instead, the year's interest is Rs 2,94,30,000, and the balance goes to Rs 35,64,30,000. Year two added Rs 24,30,000 more than year one did, and that Rs 24,30,000 is exactly nine per cent of the Rs 2,70,00,000 that year one added. Interest on interest, arriving on schedule and in writing.

Hold the two totals next to each other. The difference between them is the whole idea. Had the nine per cent been charged on the original Rs 30,00,00,000 in both years, the borrower would owe Rs 35,40,00,000 after two years. The borrower owes Rs 35,64,30,000 instead. Two years is a short window and the gap inside it is small, worth saying plainly rather than dressing up. The gap is not the point. The mechanism producing the gap is the point, and the mechanism does not stop.

1. THE AMOUNT OWED, MEASURED FROM ZERO AT THE START Rs 30,00,00,000 AFTER YEAR 1 Rs 32,70,00,000 AFTER YEAR 2 Rs 35,64,30,000 Rs 0 Rs 10,00,00,000 Rs 20,00,00,000 Rs 30,00,00,000 2. WHAT EACH YEAR ADDED, ON A SCALE OF ITS OWN Same two years, a different ruler, because the difference is small against the balance and large against itself. YEAR 1 ADDED Rs 2,70,00,000, being 9.0 per cent of Rs 30,00,00,000 YEAR 2 ADDED Rs 2,94,30,000, being 9.0 per cent of Rs 32,70,00,000 Rs 24,30,000 more The extra is 9.0 per cent of what year one added. Interest on interest.
The amount owed on position 3 of this invented fund rises from Rs 30,00,00,000 to Rs 35,64,30,000 across two years, and the second year adds Rs 24,30,000 more than the first because the rate meets a larger number.
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What is the balance owed on position 3 after two years at nine per cent paid in kind?

The third answer there is the instinct of a reader meeting this for the first time, and it is worth naming even where it was not the answer chosen. Nothing was paid, so surely nothing happened. But something was paid. The obligation was discharged in full, on time, in a form the document permits, and the record of that discharge is the larger number the borrower now owes. Paying in kind is not the same as not paying, and a borrower who simply failed to remit would be in default rather than in compliance.

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Rs 30,00,00,000 accretes at nine per cent paid in kind. Before the control below is moved: does the second year add more, less, or the same as the first?

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Move the in-kind rate and watch three things move together

One control: the in-kind rate on position 3, from nothing at all to twelve per cent. Three consequences, drawn rather than stated. The amount owed after one year and after two. How much of the first year's income is money. And the cash share of that income, on a scale that runs the full way from zero to a hundred so a fall looks the size it actually is. This loan's own convention holds the cash coupon at eight per cent of the original Rs 30,00,00,000 throughout, and that part never accretes.

The readings this loan actually produced, held as static text so they survive without the picture. At nine per cent, which is what position 3 contracted for after its reset, Rs 30,00,00,000 becomes Rs 32,70,00,000 after one year and Rs 35,64,30,000 after two, first-year income is Rs 5,10,00,000 and the cash share of it is 47.1 per cent. At five per cent, the rate before the reset, it would be Rs 31,50,00,000 and Rs 33,07,50,000, income Rs 3,90,00,000 and a cash share of 61.5 per cent. At twelve per cent, Rs 33,60,00,000 and Rs 37,63,20,000, income Rs 6,00,00,000 and a cash share of 40.0 per cent. At nothing at all the balance never moves, income is the Rs 2,40,00,000 of cash coupon and the cash share is 100 per cent.
0 per centin kind 9.0 per cent12 per cent
1. THE AMOUNT OWED AT THE START Rs 30,00,00,000 AFTER YEAR 1 Rs 32,70,00,000 AFTER YEAR 2 Rs 35,64,30,000 the original principal Rs 0 Rs 10,00,00,000 Rs 20,00,00,000 Rs 30,00,00,000 2. THE FIRST YEAR OF INCOME, SPLIT WHERE THE MONEY STOPS Cash Rs 2,40,00,000 Fixed at 8.0 per cent of the original principal. Accrued Rs 2,70,00,000, the part that moves. 3. CASH SHARE OF THAT INCOME, ZERO TO A HUNDRED 0 25 50 75 100 47.1 per cent
In-kind rate
9.0 per cent
Owed after one year
Rs 32,70,00,000
Owed after two years
Rs 35,64,30,000
First-year income
Rs 5,10,00,000
Cash share of it
47.1 per cent

At an in-kind rate of 9.0 per cent the amount owed goes from Rs 30,00,00,000 to Rs 32,70,00,000 and then to Rs 35,64,30,000, while the fund records Rs 5,10,00,000 of income in the first year and receives Rs 2,40,00,000 of it, being 47.1 per cent.

Educational illustration. Not a calculator and not a projection. Every figure belongs to position 3 of Nilgiri Direct Lending Fund I, invented, and every rate is that fund's own contracted rate on that one loan. The cash coupon is held at 8.0 per cent of the original Rs 30,00,00,000 and does not accrete, which is this loan's stated convention; only the in-kind rate accretes. No repayment, no fee, no charge enforcement and no missed payment is modelled, and the control says nothing whatever about whether any of the accrued amount is eventually received. Watch the third panel rather than the first: the balance bar grows in a way that reads like something going well, and the only honest reading of it is that the amount owed is larger.
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What is the cash coupon actually charged on?

Nobody asks this question and everybody needs it answered. Two loans with identical rates produce different numbers depending on the answer. On position 3 the answer is fixed and it holds every time a cash figure appears: the eight per cent cash coupon is charged on the original Rs 30,00,00,000 and does not accrete, so it is Rs 2,40,00,000 a year, flat, in every year. Only the in-kind rate is charged on the growing balance.

Put the two bases side by side and the asymmetry is obvious. The in-kind rate meets Rs 30,00,00,000 in year one and Rs 32,70,00,000 in year two, so its accrual grows. The cash coupon meets Rs 30,00,00,000 in both years, so its cash does not. The accreted balanceThe original principal plus every unpaid coupon added to it since. is the base for one rate and not for the other, and that single asymmetry is doing more work here than any of the rates are.

TWO RATES IN ONE CLAUSE, CHARGED ON TWO DIFFERENT BASES THE IN-KIND RATE, 9.0 PER CENT Year 1, charged on Rs 30,00,00,000 which gives Rs 2,70,00,000 Year 2, charged on Rs 32,70,00,000 which gives Rs 2,94,30,000 The base moves every year. THE CASH COUPON, 8.0 PER CENT Year 1, charged on Rs 30,00,00,000 which gives Rs 2,40,00,000 Year 2, charged on Rs 30,00,00,000 which gives Rs 2,40,00,000 The base never moves. CHANGE THAT ONE CONVENTION AND THE PICTURE CHANGES Had the cash coupon been charged on the accreted balance too, year two would pay Rs 2,61,60,000 in cash, income would be Rs 5,55,90,000, and the cash share would sit at 47.1 per cent in that year as well. It is the fixed cash base, and nothing else, that makes the cash share keep falling.
The in-kind rate on position 3 is charged on a base that grows and the cash coupon on a base that does not, and that single asymmetry is what makes the cash share of income fall from one year to the next.

The last line of that caption deserves saying in full. A reader can work it out and then feel let in on something. If both rates were charged on the accreted balance, the split between them would be eight parts cash to nine parts in kind in every year forever, and the cash share would sit at 47.1 per cent and stay there. The cash share falls to 44.9 per cent in year two precisely because the cash side is pinned to a number that stopped moving. The falling cash share is not a fact about payment-in-kind interest in general but a fact about this loan's convention, and the convention is stated wherever a figure from it appears.

Position 3 did not start life with these two rates. The loan began at eleven per cent in cash and five per cent in kind, and the move to eight and nine came out of a restructuring agreed after a covenant test went the wrong way, before any payment was missed. Why that restructuring happened, what was negotiated alongside it and what a lender is doing when it sits down to renegotiate rather than enforce is a separate subject with its own treatment. The two rates are taken as given, and what matters here is what they do.

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Does the cash coupon on position 3 accrete along with the in-kind rate?

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Suppose this loan had said the opposite, and the cash coupon was charged on the accreted balance too. What cash would year two produce?

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What does the lender record, and what has it received?

Two different numbers, for the same loan, in the same twelve months. In the first year after the reset the fund records Rs 5,10,00,000 of interest income on position 3, being the Rs 2,40,00,000 of cash coupon plus the Rs 2,70,00,000 that was added to the balance. The fund has received Rs 2,40,00,000. Rs 2,70,00,000 of that year's income is not money and has never been money; it is an increase in what one borrower owes.

The word for the first number is recognised incomeIncome recorded for a period, whether or not any cash arrived., and there is nothing irregular about it. The interest was contractually due, it was contractually settled, and a lender records interest as it is earned rather than as it is banked. The recognition is right. The trouble comes downstream of the recognition, in a reader who sees an income line and pictures a bank balance.

Think of a tuition teacher with twelve students. Ten pay at the end of every month. Two have agreed to pay at the end of the year and the teacher has written that down. The teacher's income for the month is all twelve fees, and the teacher would be wrong to record anything less. The money in the teacher's hand is ten. Nothing dishonest has happened anywhere in that sentence, and the teacher still cannot buy anything with the other two.

ONE LOAN, ONE YEAR, TWO NUMBERS, ONE SCALE RECOGNISED AS INCOME Rs 2,40,00,000 Rs 2,70,00,000 Rs 5,10,00,000 in the first year after the reset the money stops here RECEIVED AS MONEY Rs 2,40,00,000 and nothing else arrived on this loan all year Both bars start at Rs 0 and share one scale, so the lengths can be compared directly. RECORDED Rs 5,10,00,000. RECEIVED Rs 2,40,00,000. THE GAP IS A LARGER CLAIM, NOT A LATE PAYMENT.
Recognised income and cash received are two different numbers for the same year on position 3, and the Rs 2,70,00,000 between them was added to the amount owed rather than paid to anybody.
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The fund recognises Rs 5,10,00,000 of income on position 3 in the first year after the reset. How much of it arrived as money?

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Before reading on: why would a borrower prefer to pay nine per cent in kind over five per cent in cash?

Why would a borrower ask for this?

Because it converts a payment problem into a size problem, and the two are not equally urgent. A business that cannot find Rs 3,30,00,000 this year and does not remit it has missed a payment, with everything that follows from that. A business that has agreed to add Rs 2,70,00,000 to its balance instead has done nothing of the sort. The business is current, it is in compliance, and its bank account is untouched.

Everybody has met this at household scale. A household stretched by a wedding does not usually want a cheaper loan; it wants a loan whose payments start later, and it will accept a larger total to get that. A shopkeeper facing a slow quarter would rather owe the supplier more in six months than fail to pay the electricity bill this week. The trade is the same one position 3 made: more owed later, in exchange for less to find now. Payment in kind is that trade written into a loan agreement, priced, and signed by both sides.

Why would a lender agree to it?

Because the price of waiting is a higher rate, and because the alternative to agreeing is often a conversation nobody wants. When the two rates on position 3 moved from eleven and five to eight and nine, the total contracted rate went from sixteen per cent to seventeen per cent. The lender is now charging a point more a year on this loan. The cash coupon fell from Rs 3,30,00,000 to Rs 2,40,00,000, so the lender is also collecting Rs 90,00,000 a year less in cash than it was.

The same three lines of a document are a cash concession from one side of the table and a rate increase from the other, and which of the two it looks like depends entirely on which number is read. Which of the two readings is the right one, and whether the trade was good for anybody, are judgements of a different kind. Both readings are simply true, and a reader who can only see one of them will be surprised by the other later.

ONE CLAUSE, THREE THINGS MOVING AT ONCE 1. CASH THE BORROWER PAYS EACH YEAR Rs 3,30,00,000 before the reset Rs 2,40,00,000 after the reset down Rs 90,00,000 2. THE TOTAL CONTRACTED RATE 16.0 per cent before the reset 17.0 per cent after the reset up 1.0 point 3. THE AMOUNT OWED AFTER TWO MORE YEARS Rs 30,00,00,000 at the reset Rs 35,64,30,000 two years on up Rs 5,64,30,000 Each pair is measured from zero on its own scale. Position 3 of Nilgiri Direct Lending Fund I, invented. All three moved out of the same clause on the same day.
Moving three points of coupon from cash into kind cut what this borrower must find each year by Rs 90,00,000, lifted the total contracted rate from 16.0 to 17.0 per cent, and left a larger amount owed.

How far did the cash share of income actually fall?

From 68.8 per cent to 47.1 per cent in a single step, and then to 44.9 per cent the year after. Here is the whole of that arithmetic on one loan, and it is worth working through slowly because every figure in it has already appeared somewhere above.

Position 3, Nilgiri Direct Lending Fund I, inventedCashAdded to the balanceIncomeCash share
Before the reset, at 11.0 plus 5.0 per centRs 3,30,00,000Rs 1,50,00,000Rs 4,80,00,00068.8 per cent
First year after, at 8.0 plus 9.0 per centRs 2,40,00,000Rs 2,70,00,000Rs 5,10,00,00047.1 per cent
Second year after, on the accreted balanceRs 2,40,00,000Rs 2,94,30,000Rs 5,34,30,00044.9 per cent
The two years after the reset, togetherRs 4,80,00,000Rs 5,64,30,000Rs 10,44,30,00046.0 per cent

Read the last two columns against each other. They move in opposite directions, and that is the entire lesson. Income rose from Rs 4,80,00,000 to Rs 5,10,00,000 while the share of it arriving as money fell by more than twenty points, and both of those happened because of the same clause on the same day. A lender reading only the income column has seen a better year. A lender reading only the cash column has seen a worse one. Neither has read the loan.

The second step is smaller and it is worth being honest about the size. Between year one and year two the share slips 2.1 points further, from 47.1 to 44.9, and on a scale that runs from zero to a hundred that slip is nearly invisible. The slip should look small, and it is small. The direction matters more than the size: the share points downwards and keeps pointing downwards for as long as the cash side is pinned and the accruing side is not.

1. WHERE THE INCOME CAME FROM, IN TRUE PROPORTION Column heights are rupees. The taller the column, the more income. Rs 4,80,00,000 Rs 5,10,00,000 Rs 5,34,30,000 before the reset first year after second year after cash added to the amount owed 2. CASH SHARE, 0 TO 100 Full scale, not a trimmed one. 100 75 50 25 0 68.8 47.1 44.9 before first year second year Income went up. The share of it in money went down.
The income columns on position 3 grow taller while the cash inside them shrinks, and the cash share falls from 68.8 per cent to 47.1 and then 44.9 on a scale drawn the whole way from zero.
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The cash share of income on position 3 fell from 68.8 per cent to 47.1 per cent. Did the fund's income on this loan fall?

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What happens when two years of recognised income are added together?

The total that is mostly a claim

Here is the mistake, and it is made by careful readers rather than careless ones. Take the two years after the reset. Rs 5,10,00,000 plus Rs 5,34,30,000 is Rs 10,44,30,000 of income recognised on position 3, and that addition is correct. The reader then treats Rs 10,44,30,000 as money the fund has taken in from this loan.

The fund has taken in Rs 4,80,00,000, being two years of the flat Rs 2,40,00,000 cash coupon. The other Rs 5,64,30,000 is an increase in the amount one borrower owes, and it becomes money only if that borrower eventually repays more than it borrowed. Whether it will is a question about a borrower, and judging borrowers is a separate discipline that no figure printed here can settle.

A fund's own interest income line does not separate the two and is not required to, and the reading is most often made by somebody looking at exactly that line. The mistake buys a cash position nobody holds: income rises, the amount owed rises with it, and nothing has arrived. The fix is not an adjustment but a habit. Every time a payment-in-kind rate is quoted, say in the same breath what has actually been received in cash.

THE LINE THAT GETS ADDED UP, AND WHAT IT IS MADE OF EXTRACT: INTEREST INCOME RECOGNISED ON POSITION 3 First year after the reset Rs 5,10,00,000 Second year after the reset Rs 5,34,30,000 Two years of recognised income Rs 10,44,30,000 read as money the fund has taken in X THE SAME Rs 10,44,30,000, SPLIT BY WHAT ACTUALLY ARRIVED Rs 4,80,00,000 Rs 5,64,30,000 arrived as money across the two years an increase in what one borrower owes 54.0 PER CENT OF THAT TOTAL HAS NEVER BEEN MONEY AND MAY NEVER BE.
Two years of recognised income on position 3 come to Rs 10,44,30,000, of which Rs 4,80,00,000 arrived as cash and Rs 5,64,30,000 is an increase in the balance one borrower owes.
Income recognised is mostly a claim, not cash. See what the interest became.

What is worth asking of a fund's income line?

More people read a lender's report than ever negotiate a loan document, and that is where the subject earns its keep. An investor in a credit fund, an analyst covering one, a student handed an annual statement and a person on an investment committee all meet the same line: interest income, one number, no split. Three questions turn that line back into something that can be reasoned about, and none of them needs any figure the report does not already carry.

First, ask how much of the interest income was received in cash. Not how much was due, not how much was recognised: how much arrived. On position 3 in the first year after the reset the answer is Rs 2,40,00,000 out of Rs 5,10,00,000. A lender that cannot answer that question for its own book cannot say what its income is made of, and a reader who never asks it will treat every rupee of recognised income as though it were spendable.

Second, ask what the balances are doing while that income is recorded. Rising principal on a loan nobody has topped up is the signature of interest being capitalised, and it is visible without anyone explaining it: Rs 30,00,00,000 becomes Rs 32,70,00,000 becomes Rs 35,64,30,000 with no new money lent. Third, ask what the coupon is charged on, both halves of it. The two bases above show why: two loans quoting the same eight and nine produce different cash and different shares depending on that one convention.

What one sentence belongs beside every payment-in-kind rate?

The lender recognises income it has not received in cash. The sentence is short, and it belongs in the same breath as the rate rather than in a note underneath. A payment-in-kind rate quoted on its own states half a fact, and the missing half is the one that decides whether anything can be spent.

Being precise about what that sentence does not say is worth a moment. The sentence does not say the accrued amount will not be paid. Nor does it say the loan is in trouble, or that this structure is worse than another, or that anybody should have done something differently. The claim is only that the income and the cash are two numbers, that on position 3 they were Rs 5,10,00,000 and Rs 2,40,00,000, and that anybody reading the first without the second has read the loan wrong. Whether the balance is eventually repaid is a question about a borrower, answered by a separate discipline.

Try it out

What sentence has to sit beside every payment-in-kind rate that is ever quoted?

India

Where the reporting of this income sits

Interest paid in more debt is a feature of a loan document rather than of any one country, and the arithmetic here would be identical anywhere. The vehicle holding position 3 in this worked case is an Alternative Investment Fund, and the framework for how such a fund registers, reports and conducts itself is set by the Securities and Exchange Board of India at sebi.gov.in. The framework changes, and the version in force is the one published there. The treatment of accrued interest in a set of accounts is a separate subject with its own authorities.

Why the two rates on position 3 were reset is settled separately. The covenant test that started that conversation, the restructuring negotiated before any payment was missed and what a lender is doing when it renegotiates rather than enforces all have their own treatment, and the resulting rates are taken as given here. How compound interest works as arithmetic is covered separately. How a fund values a position carrying accrued interest, and what it shows an investor in a statement, is covered separately. Whether the accreted balance is eventually repaid is a question about a borrower, and judging that is a discipline covered separately. What rank a lender holds, what a charge is and what happens to a claim when a borrower's money runs out are covered separately as well.

Sources

SourceDocumentSite
Securities and Exchange Board of IndiaThe published framework for Alternative Investment Funds, covering registration, reporting and conduct. The invented fund holding position 3 is registered under itsebi.gov.in
Indian Venture and Alternate Capital AssociationNamed as the industry body publishing material on private capital in India, used for orientation onlyivca.in

Nilgiri Direct Lending Fund I, Nilgiri Alternatives Advisors Private Limited and Nilgiri Trusteeship Services Private Limited are invented.
Educational material. Not advice on any investment, tax, budget or market position.

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